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Review of chapter "Chapter 17" from mojtaba
Review:
i love it but then ill would love it more if a cross over just once dared to bitch slap one of the scoobies when they go on their babbles of were the scoobies were so awesome... yeah not really
Review By [mojtaba] • Date [28 Jun 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 50 or Epilogue" from MarcusSLazarus
Review:
The start was simple, but subsequent events were certainly interesting.

If nothing else, the concept of Willow being ‘aware’ of Kryptonian technology the same way she’s aware of powerful magic raised some interesting questions for ‘Clarke’s Law’ debates (Sufficiently advanced technology VS magic, and maybe even vice-versa, you know), and Jor-El’s explanation/knowledge of the Key’s true nature and use certainly works.

Admittedly, I’m somewhat ambiguous about the Clark/Chloe and Buffy/Xander elements, but that’s just because I’ve never really been a fan of them as a couple- they’re great as friends, but I just don’t feel that a closer relationship would really work-, but Lana’s reaction to learning about Clark’s true origins under THESE circumstances certainly works, reacting on instinctual fear and weakening Clark’s resolve when faced with her rejection and Zod’s manipulation of the facts (Clark might have been able to counter Zod’s arguments in later seasons, but right now he just doesn’t have the emotional resolve to hold his own in this kind of ‘debate’).
Review By [MarcusSLazarus] • Date [15 Jul 12] • Rating [8 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter 50 or Epilogue" from Dragonelf
Review:
You have done an excellent job with this story.


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when first we practice to believe.
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Review By [Dragonelf] • Date [22 Dec 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 50 or Epilogue" from Jerrac
Review:
Good story. I enjoyed it.

One thing you might want to think about is the whole "because aliens exist, God doesn't" thing. God is all powerful and knows everything. He created everything. If aliens popped up sometime, it would just mean that God created them. Also, the Bible says nothing about ET's. It doesn't say they exist, and it doesn't say they don't exist. So the logic of saying that aliens prove Christianity or other religions wrong, doesn't work.
Review By [Jerrac] • Date [25 May 07] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 40" from queenevil
Review:
wow! That totally rocks! Someone needs some kissage though!
Review By [queenevil] • Date [5 Dec 06] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter 40" from RevDorothyL
Review:
I've never been a Buffy/Xander 'shipper (nor even someone who cheerfully tolerated discussion of that 'ship, since it so often devolves into Super-Xander and victimized/neutered-Buffy, in my fanfic-reading experience), but you've built up to it so beautifully and effectively, that I'm actually rooting for Buffy and Xander to make it work, this time. This is the only way that 'ship COULD work (in my opinion): with Buffy still the Slayer-in-charge, and Xander more-or-less okay with a modicum of coddling for his vulnerable normality, but with all the emotional warmth and strength that a superhero wants to come home to.

I think I like it all the better, because you've made it a minor note in the story, rather than the be-all and end-all.

Meanwhile, I'm also impressed with the ambiguities and hard questions raised over the "Lana question", and with the resolution to be more inclusive and democratic with the younger Slayers.
Review By [RevDorothyL] • Date [1 Nov 06] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter 40" from AnnOfMidnight
Review:
Nice. Buffy finally gets mushy about the Xan-man. Wonder what they'll do about Lana. The solution was good, but Buffy's right about it not being council business. Too bad Lana is irrational-
Comments from author:
Thanks. I'm trying not to make that particular pairing the focus of the story and I swear when i started writing it, that it never crossed my mind. It's just that she relies on him so much and I could potentially see that turning into something more or, at the very least, reflecting the relationship that Chloe and Clark have.

Yeah, it's not Council business in the least and this will definitely come back to bite them all. However, they're also out of options...
Review By [AnnOfMidnight] • Date [31 Oct 06] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 39" from LucStar
Review:
So, I’m here, sitting at home on a Saturday morning with zilch to do and I’m thinking - hey, let’s find me some great fanfic to read. So I came to this site looking for something to read (something I do rarely.. I go to another site), and came across this one and thought of giving it a go.

And man, am I glad I did.

This has got to be one of the best Smallville/BTVS crossovers I’ve read in a long time. The pacing, the plot, the characterisation, and man - the dialogues, I could actually visualise the characters saying what they were saying as though they were written by the original authors of the show themselves. All in all, you did an excellent work. I hope you wouldn’t mind me recommending your fanfic on a Forum I have on another site.

Take care of yourself and keep the updates coming.

Oh, and do keep up the excellent work.
Comments from author:
Thank you so much. I am trying to keep the updates coming even though it's been about a month, stupid mid-term season. Anyway, I'm flattered by all your comments, especially the dialogue. Smallville dialogue isn't hard to imitate since it's so clunky and cliche-y to begin with, but any time you play around in the Jossverse, I feel like there's all this pressure to make it sound right.

Please recommend away, sometimes it feels like no one is reading ;)

Oh, btw, since I'm always looking for good BtVS/Smallville crossovers, can you rec any?
Review By [LucStar] • Date [28 Oct 06] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter 39" from RevDorothyL
Review:
Wow! Great chapters (though I still haven't figured out what proof of alien life in the universe has to do with dis-proving the existence of any deity or deities -- for me, god and science and science fiction and the certainty that the universe is too big for us to be all alone in it have always co-existed happily, so I'm definitely missing the "if...then..." part of that particular argument).

I particularly loved Clark's heart-to-heart with Buffy (and yes, Dawn) in the Fortress. Plus, I can totally see Lana turning petty and pissy and only being talked into doing the decent thing by an argument that put the Last Son of Krypton on a par with some loathesome but endangered species of reptile. I really appreciate the insight about Clark pursuing Lana for the same reason that Dawn cut herself -- to try to be normal, to feel real and validated by some external proof of belonging and normality.

Can't wait to see what you'll come up with next.
Comments from author:
Maybe my logic is a bit of the flawed, le sigh. Still it was a passing thought and I don't regret putting it in no matter how off ;)

Thanks for all the comments. I really appreciate them. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who knows the fic exists but all your comments and encouragement are wonderful!

I loved writing the scene with the Summers sisters. I'd been waiting to have a massive heart to heart between our two resident heroes and then, like she often does, Dawn invited herself along. I think that it's really between the two of them, that DAwn and Buffy can understand Clark---Dawn knows what it's like not to be quite real and Buffy's got the burden of being the one and only down pat. Plus, I think their sarcasm is a nice balance to the moping. Honestly, I do believe if Chloe. Lois, Dawn, and Buffy were all together in the same place with Clark, it would kill him, powers or no.

May have to wait a bit. Midterms are attacking right now. Dear god save me!!!
Review By [RevDorothyL] • Date [5 Oct 06] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter 39" from vitruvian
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The last several chapters seem to suggest that the existence of aliens such as Kryptonians implies, or even proves, the absence of a god. Now, I'm not much of a theist myself, but I've studied religion enough to tell you that one is not necessarily a logical consequence of the other. There are plenty of Christians, for example, that believe in the existence of extraterrestrial life. There's even a fair amount of science fiction with a Catholic slant, from C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy to James Blish's A Case of Conscience to some of Arthur C. Clarke's short stories and pretty much all of the amazing Gene Wolfe's ouevre. Fitting aliens into a religious viewpoint is usually done by reference to the "many houses hath the Lord" line from the Bible, although different authors differ as to whether other races get their own version of Jesus, are still waiting to be saved by humans spreading the Gospel, or may in some cases not have fallen into sin in the first place.

There's also the point that anybody with more background in biology than Buffy is probably going to look at Clark, see how human his body is in every respect other than his powers, note that his powers have been removed from him in various ways (Eric Summers, Jor-El, etc.) without visibly changing his physical makeup, and conclude that Kryptonians *are* human, or at least very closely related to us with a definite common ancestry. Cases of convergent evolution just don't look quite *that* similar to each other, especially when, as Buffy noted, the environments the two species would have evolved to fit are actually quite different. Add in the ability for the powers that mark Kryptonians as different to be removed, or to be granted to humans, and it seems that they are some kind of detachable enhancement, with the base Kryptonian form being essentially human.

In short, it doesn't really make sense to regard Kryptonians as any more alien than, say, the various Goa'uld-displaced human population on Stargate, or, given the powers, superpowered mutants or members of the 4400. It might make some sense to fear them due to their immense powers, but no moreso than one would fear Earth humans at a similar level.
Comments from author:
As to the theological question, I'd like to say two things first. One, I am woefully unfamiliar with science fiction. Really, horror is my genre of choice and, aside from an obsession with Planet of the Apes and the most passing knowledge of the DC Universe via Smallville and the Justice League cartoons, I've never really been up on how the prevailing sci-fi authors deal with religion. Second, although I'm not sure it matters either way, I personally don't think that extraterrestrial life would preclude the existence of God. After all, if creation happened here, I don't know why it couldn't have occurred simultaneously under the watchful eye of the same God on other planets. It's not as if the distance would matter much to Him. More generally, and this is my shortcoming as an author, I was more playing up Clark's fears than anything else. Both the chapters that deal with the theological questions are written from his POV and it may not be that logical that the existence of aliens means there is no God or that there's no place in human religion for him, but it might be how he feels. It may not be any more logical than his fear of rejection by Chloe, but fears and paranoia rarely are logical.

As for the biology question. Woe unto me for admitting that once upon a time and light years away from my current predicament I was an evolutionary biology student. Well, technically, that lasted for one semester and I was so sick of Dawkins and his selfish genes by then that all I wanted was out. After four years, I'm sorry to see that my memory of convergent evolution is so thin. My parents are going to love where their tuition money went, although I still do remember some of On the Origin of Species.

Oh college.

Sorry, I tend to digress. You're right to point out that Buffy probably knows next to nothing about biology, beyond perhaps the secret ingredients used for the doublemeat "burgers" and even that is more chemically based. I've taken a few liberties in assuming that she had to take a gen science course as a freshman and that, even in a psychology class, Professor Walsh would have added some basic background biology. After all, who doesn't love biopsychology? As for Kryptonians as a related species of human, it's a possibility. After all, at least Smallville-wise, the two groups can successfully interbreed and isn't that just the species definition in a nutshell? And since there's more than one Kiwatchee indian, clearly Kryptonian-human offspring aren't sterile. Of course, Buffy and Dawn don't know that part, and Clark isn't sure that part is more than a legend yet. Personally, though, I still don't know if I buy the argument that (give or take yellow solar radiation) Kryptonians and earthlings are the same. But then again, I know absolutely nothing about DC cannon and how they present everything.

The Buffy-Dawn conversation and Lana's little huff were mostly based on my own opinions about "Mortal" in general. I thought it was a bit of a cop-out to have the two of them be together without him telling her everything. Maybe it's just me, but I still think that whether he has active powers or not, he's still an alien. In that vein, I assume that would be something Lana would have wanted to know. She's a bit nosy that one.

On that note, Clark or any other Kryptonian might not merit any more fear than a metahuman or a mutant. Buffy and company are distinctly underwhelmed by the prospect of alien life after all. Of course, after a Hellgod and the First Evil, I'd think anything else would seem ho-hum to them. Similarly, Chloe doesn't fear Clark nor did she fear Zod for being an alien. She feared what said sociopathic criminal could do because, well, sociopathic criminal on the loose with inifinite powers. Again, I feel it's more a matter of context. The fear here is Lana's, and maybe I'm being unfair to her, but I don't think so. Even in the season opener, "Zod," she's referring to the aliens as "things," although, to her credit, SV-Lana showed more courage in that ep than in my version. Overall, I think she's very uncomfortable and, yes, afraid of anything different. Her hatred for the meteor mutants is well-established ("Extinction" (3.03)), as is her fear and discomfort with the concept of aliens, even in the hypothetical sense ("Visitor" (2.18)). Again, I may be painting her with too broad strokes, but I think Lana would very much be afraid of Clark for what he is, even more so than if he were just the standard, run-of-the-mill meteor mutant.

Of course, she's now built up the strong association between his race and violence and torture. Both canonically (Namek and Aethyr in "Arrival" (5.01)) and with what my version of Zod has done to her. Again, it's not fair and even Lana admits it, but strong associations like that rarely are. Gotta love the neural pathways.

I really appreciate your well-thought-out comments and I hope this rejoinder has helped to let you in on my reasoning for why I wrote what I did. I hope I haven't oversimplified things or jumped to far out conclusions.
Review By [vitruvian] • Date [3 Oct 06] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 39" from AnnOfMidnight
Review:
Ah! Poor Clark! and poor stupid Lana... I think Willow needs to start wiping memories. There's no way she's not going to tell, and also, I hate her.
Comments from author:
Well, Willow could do that, but I think that way leads to evil veiny-ness and black hair. We'll see what happens. And, as for Lana, tell me how you really feel ;)

Sorry I haven't replied sooner. I've appreciated all your comments, but it took a while for me to figure out how to reply. My comp is wonky sometimes.

Toby
Review By [AnnOfMidnight] • Date [3 Oct 06] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 34" from Mixer
Review:
The fact that you only have thirteen reviews so far is a travesty. This is one of most well written and interesting stories I've read recently and your portrayal of the characters was wonderfully done, even if Clark seemed a little childlike, of course next to the Btvs gang he would...hmmm. Anyway, I just wanted to say great job.
Review By [Mixer] • Date [28 Sep 06] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 34" from RevDorothyL
Review:
Wow! I love that Xander and Chloe DO kind of get to save the day, after all (though it's good they weren't there any sooner to become casualties), but what really makes my day was Buffy's speech to Lana about exactly what limits she SHOULDN'T try to push just now, and how her 'Dawson's Creek' melodrama should be kept for some time when lives weren't at stake and brassed-off Slayers weren't around. Great stuff.
Review By [RevDorothyL] • Date [27 Sep 06] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter 34" from AnnOfMidnight
Review:
Can't wait to see how it ends. And major kudos for having Buffy slap Lana, it made my day!
Review By [AnnOfMidnight] • Date [26 Sep 06] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 30" from AnnOfMidnight
Review:
Damn, the situation's getting dire. Anymore people going to show up, or are they going to do it themselves?
Review By [AnnOfMidnight] • Date [25 Sep 06] • Not Rated
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