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Review of chapter "Chapter One" from IcemanII
I just found this story. Very, very interesting, great story so far. I really enjoy this fic, it's a lot of fun. It looks really promising and fun. Keep up the good work.
Comments from author:
Glad you enjoyed this one.

Wold you mind checking out 'And Now For Something Completely Different (Redux)' and let me know what you think about that? It's an AU take on this story.
Review By [IcemanII] • Date [9 Jul 12] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from TweedWizz
Ugh. Reasonably well written.

However, there's a complete double-standard inherant in it. Angel is pretty much a selfish coward at this stage. However Buffy proves herself to be much worse next season. When Angel loses his soul, he becomes Angelus a mass-murderer, however Angel has no control over what Angelus does.

Buffy did. With soul supposedly intact, she chose to let her special lover live, regardless of how many people he killed.

Angel with a soul chose not to mass-murder innocents.

Buffy with a soul chose to allow the mass-murder of innocents.

They're not even close. She's far worse. There's a tendency in BXers and Buffy fans to blame it all on Angel, when in fact the opposite is true. Yeah, he was a sleaze going after Buffy, but not one of the deaths in Sunnydale's is on his head, it's all Angelus and Buffy.

Calling Angel a near-pedo doesn't negate Buffy's full-headed dive into accessory to multiple murder. Condeming one for their part while completely ignoring the other's greater and unrepetant sins doesn't make for a good story.

Edit to reply: So you're saying that Angel's sins are so heinous (including no forcing of sexual intercourse, no murders), basically him being a putz, that he deserves murdering while Buffy's closed-eyes to the murders commited by Angelus (who had no control over his actions), basically get a do-over?

That's not very fair now is it? Is this because judging from some of your other stories that BX is one of your favoured partnerships and how dare Angel be an obstacle to it?

But your story.
Comments from author:
First off, thanks for your comments on the story - I do want to know what my readers think about what I'm writing, especially if you think I've done something wrong.

Second, I think you're being far too harsh on Buffy regarding her apparently allowing Angelus to go free. Aside from the time when she couldn't stake him at the mall after destroying the Judge (which occurred only a short time after Angelus was released), I can't think of any instance in which Buffy intentionally allowed him to escape when she had an opportunity to stake him without risking others' lives. Angelus generally managed to slip away while she and the others were occupied fighting his minions, and rarely faced her in a straight-up fight when she had a good chance to dust.

As far as your saying that there is a double standard regarding expectations of behavior for Buffy as compared to Angel, I would have to agree, while pointing out that I think it is reasonable to have greater expectations of moral behavior from an adult than from a teenager. Angel as a souled individual was over ninety years old as opposed to Buffy's just turned seventeen, so I don't think, it is unreasonable to expect better behavior from him than from a hormonal adolescent girl. (Growing up, I had five sisters, so believe me when I say that I *KNOW* teenaged girls are hormonal!)

In any event, I have pretty much finished re-writing this story to better reflect what I intend to have happen in this particular 'verse, and the changes I've made make the above discussion moot. I should be posting it soon, once I get it back from my betas.
Review By [TweedWizz] • Date [27 Jun 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from Caminus
Sabrina Spellman, now there's a name you don't see bantered about every day of the week. IIRC the idiots she had to deal with in high places were worse than the Council or the Brit Wizards at their most obnoxious.

As for Angel being dusted, maybe it wasn't very fair. Maybe what happened between him and Buffy was even true love. Maybe in so dusting him, they've caused Illyria to ultimately be resurrected in the shell of Lilah Morgan, scoring a major victory for the dark and bringing about the end of days (Pause for happy contemplation about Illyria-Lilah). But honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing it all play out. I mean, if you're going to go all future foreknowledgey and smack the universe over the head with a comically oversized hammer, nixing your special girl's love interest for dubious reasons is probably going to be the least of your sins.
Comments from author:
Glad you enjoyed this version.

I'm currently rewriting parts of the story to make it fit better with the future timeline I've envisioned for this series, and I hope to be finished it and posting it soon.
Review By [Caminus] • Date [12 Jun 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from Bobboky
Comments from author:
Review By [Bobboky] • Date [15 May 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from Difdi
I read the other reviews, and I have to agree with some of the other people, murdering Angel (and make no mistake, that was murder, not justice) is wrong. At that point in the series, Angel has not actually committed statutory rape. And even if he had, that's not a capital crime.

If history can't be changed, there's no point in killing him...and if it can be changed, there's no justification for killing him for what he might do in the future. Arguing that he's not a good guy because he's not doing anything beyond not being a bad guy is fallacious. If that argument is valid, then you could justifiably kill almost any human being on Earth without it being murder. Most people are pretty neutral in a good/evil sense; If not being actively good was all the justification you needed to kill someone, there would be a lot fewer people in jail for murder.

The gypsies took a human soul and crammed it into a vampire, making both suffer for the vampire's actions. Angel remembers what Angelus did, and feels guilt for it because he remembers it as if he had done it...but the key fact is, he DIDN'T. Angel left the body when Angelus entered it, and was not responsible for the crimes of Angelus. He's spent the last century being tortured in revenge for things he didn't do. And now he's been murdered by Ron for things he hadn't done yet. Right at that point, Ron is more evil, and deserving of death, than Angel is.

Very few people are capable of honestly saying "I am an evil person." Those who can are definitely not sane. Most people see themselves, no matter who they are, as the Hero of their own personal drama. Even criminals. Even monsters like Hitler and Stalin saw themselves as Good Guys. That said, just hearing someone claim to be a Good Guy proves nothing. You have to weigh actions and to a lesser extent, motives. Xander & Co. seem to have good motives, but some of the actions they are taking say Bad Guy, not Good Guy. A good rule of thumb, is if it's evil if a Bad Guy does it, it's also evil if a Good Guy does it. And if a Good Guy does it regularly, they're actually a Bad Guy who is deluding him/herself.

Edited to reply:

At that stage of the series, Angel's defining trait is cowardice. He could do so much more, but lets his fear and guilt rule him. Misplaced guilt, due to the gypsy curse, but to him it feels real. So real in fact, that even knowing he's supposed to be doing good, he can't overcome it. It isn't until he finds something outside himself that he finds the ability to overcome it; And no, I'm not talking about the underage thing with Buffy, I'm referring to events in Angel's own series (Cordelia, for example).

It's also worth noting that even if he were truly a sicko pedophile stalker...laws vary by state. If Sunnydale was an hour outside of, say, Seattle instead of Los Angeles, there would be nothing illegal about him and Buffy doing what they did when they did it.

Edited further to reply to reply:

I recall an incident I read about in a news article, where a 13 year old boy forcibly raped a 14 year old girl. While it's obvious that he "consented" to the act, the law does not see it that way. The girl was arrested and charged with statutory rape, since in that state, while a 14 year old can legally consent to sex, a 13 year old cannot. Therefore even though he held the girl down and raped her, as far as the law is concerned, she raped him.

While I agree with you that morality and legality are not always the same thing, a fair portion of our morality is shaped by legality. Equating your local legalities with morality is fallacious at best. Giving beer to a ten year old boy is seen as both immoral and illegal in the US, for example. But historically, what with unsafe water supplies, it was common for children to consume small beer daily, since the alternatives were death by dehydration, or potential death by disease from drinking contaminated water. Laws change. Tomorrow, someone may pass a law raising age of sexual consent to 30...would sex then be immoral for consenting 21 year olds?
Comments from author:
After some serious thought, I will admit that you're right about Ron's killing Angel being unnecessary at that particular point in time.

Part of the reason I did it that way was to set up a situation for a later story in the series, in which Buffy found out about Angel's death and about the alternate future in which she and Angel had been involved, which would lead to a confrontation with Xander about precisely those actions.

Another reason I killed Angel off was because I firmly believe he was nothing more than a stalker and near-child molester during the course of the entire first season. After all, he really didn't contribute much at all aside from the occasional suitably vague warning of upcoming danger, which was about as helpful as using a Magic Eight Ball, and leave an impressionable young girl with a completely false image of who he truly was.

Considering the entire situation now, though, I think that I'm probably going to rewrite that particular scene and allow Angel to live - at least for the time being. Exactly when I'll do that, I'm not sure, since I'm currently busy working on the next story in the series, which will follow Ragnarok's starting their fifth year at Hogwarts.

Edited to respond to reply:

I fully agree with you that Angel's main defining trait was cowardice, but I still consider him not much better than a near-pedophile. Part of this is undoubtedly because I have five younger sisters and I would have had *very* serious reservations when we were younger about any of them dating someone who was at least a decade older than they were. And legalities and morality quite often have absolutely nothing to do with one another, but that's an entirely separate discussion.

In any event, I think that the changes I'm now considering are going to make life even more interesting for everyone involved. ;-)

Anyway, thanks for reviewing and commenting.
Review By [Difdi] • Date [9 May 09] • Rating [2 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from (Recent Donor)redjacobson
I can't believe I haven't reviewed this one yet! Excellent story, and, if I'm not mistaken, this is the result of the Time Jump (or is it a warp? It's just a jump to the left! *GRIN*) from "Don't Make Me Angry"? Speaking of which, you left us with a fairly nasty cliffhanger in that story, and I'm hoping your muse gives you the resolution to it in the near future.

Comments from author:
Yep, you're right about this being a follow-up to DMMA. ;-)

As far as the next chapter for that goes, I'm working on it but my muse isn't being real cooperative. ;-(
Review By [(Recent Donor)redjacobson] • Date [21 Sep 08] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from GundumM
i really wished it had more back story, other then that it was good
Comments from author:
Actually, the back story is/will be supplied in 'Don't Make Me Angry -'
Review By [GundumM] • Date [4 Jun 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from Fyrecat
...Interesting. There's a whole lot of missing back story here, but I'd definitely like to see the whole thong developed into a full story!

Thanks for sharing!
Comments from author:
thanks. You'll see some more of the back story in the next few chapters.
Review By [Fyrecat] • Date [19 Apr 08] • Rating [6 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from BrendanM

So this is where that other fic of yours is headed!

RE: Cyrix Chips
A man after my own heart.
Comments from author:
Thanks. Good to see you're enjoying the story. Just wait 'til you see what the Golden Quintet has in mind for the Hellmouth. ;-)
Review By [BrendanM] • Date [1 Apr 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from neverwill
Wow, I'm definitely looking forward to the story when you write it!
Comments from author:
Thanks. The first chapter of the follow-up story has been posted and it's called 'Don't Make Me Angry.'
Review By [neverwill] • Date [18 Sep 07] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from Dragonhulk
Okay, I'm completely confused by this.

I've read the reviews and comments you've left so I know that all will be explained in an upcoming story. Any chance of getting the title of the story so I know what to look for?
Comments from author:
Well, the first story in the series (there's going to be several relatively short ones covering different points in time) is tentatively called "Don't Make Me Angry" and I'm working on it right now, among others. Hopefully, you'll be seeing it in the near future.
Review By [Dragonhulk] • Date [12 Aug 07] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from ThunderGod
weird..yet somehow strangely compelling..though if it does proceed I do wish for some changes..and most of all explanations:}

like why do that to Angel?....not that he shouldn't or doesn't deserve it...

Comments from author:
Good. Weird was what was intended, because that world is majorly AU from both the Scooby-verse and the HP-verse.

You'll get some explanations when I post the first part of the first story I'm currently working on here. Hopefully, that will be in the very near future.

And Angel's fate will be explained in the course of the story.
Review By [ThunderGod] • Date [9 Aug 07] • Rating [8 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from Scorpio
*cackles with glee* Loved this! (especially Ron setting fire to Angel - couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy)

Of course now I'm left with a zillion questions.

Xand is a Potter how? And he obviously knows the "future" what with Buffy, Angel & the Mayor. Time-travel? Alt-dimensions? Anya been waving her wish powers around?

Ron is a Potter how? Is there a sister kickin' around or is this a slashy thing? (I'm good either way.)

Explain-y please? Perhaps in a follow-up where we see Buff & Xand's chat over coffee - or Hermione & Sabrina talking to Willow.

On a side note - Hermione is going to be *such* a good influence on Willow. She's proof that one doesn't have to be a timid anti-social spaz just because one has an IQ in the stratosphere.

More of this AU please. *big shiny eyes*
Comments from author:
Glad you enjoyed it. It was sparked by a plot bunny that simply wouldn't go away.

Yes, Xander is a Potter, but how he became one will be revealed in the story that I'm going to be writing once I finish up a few other minor things that are occupying my attention at the moment.

Ron is also a Potter, and no, he is not Harry's Significant Other. How this happened will also be explained in the same story that explains Xander's background.

And yes, Hermione will be an excellent influence on Willow, showing her that nerds can be beautiful and cool, too. ;-)

I'll be getting to this in the VERY near future, I promise. The plot bunny has been nibbling at my ankles incessantly since it showed up.
Review By [Scorpio] • Date [9 Jul 07] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from mulligas
You shouldn't have killed Angel. He was one of the good guys. Also, back when he was alive a sixteen year old girl would be of marriagable age. He is hardly a pedophile.
Comments from author:
Actually, in my opinion, for most of the first three seasons of Buffy, you could classify Angel as a good guy only by virtue of him not being an active bad guy (not counting the last half of Season Two that is).

He contributed virtually nothing in the first season except to act as a stalker and play mind games with a sixteen year old girl who already had serious emotional issues because of her Calling. And if you consider the dissension he caused among the Scoobies during his time with them, I really can't see how you can think of him as one of the good guys.

As far as girls commonly getting married at sixteen when he was alive, that is true, but that cannot, does not and should not justify his actions in our society today, in any way. Even if you consider him as being the age he was when he was turned, he was still at least ten years older than Buffy, and that is illegal at this time and in our society. And, if you should consider the time he was possessed by the soul, that adds an additional ninety years to his age, making his case even worse.

I know a lot of people consider him as one of the good guys, but I'm definitely not one of them. Once he left Sunnydale and moved to L.A., he changed significantly, and I'll agree that he might be considered as a hero in those circumstances. But not while he was in Sunnydale.
Review By [mulligas] • Date [5 Jul 07] • Rating [6 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from PrincessTai
Whoooakay! It was a nice story.
I didn't get the point. But was nice. I see MANY interesting possibilities if you consider continuing it.
And I wonder why are Xander, Harry, and Ron Potters?
Is it that Xand's Harry's cousin and Ron's his main man? :-D
Or is it a VERY hot threesome? That's the only logical solution, to me at least. And where does Sabrina fit into all this?
Comments from author:
Well, I can't say much right now, but I will say the whole name thing will be explained as soon as I can get to writing/expanding on this particular ficlet. And I don't think that you'll come anywhere near close to the correct explanation for why that happened.

Sabrina's presence and how she fits into the overall situation will also be explained then. I hope to start working on the expansion of this story in the very near future, as soon as I can pry some time loose from a fairly busy schedule.
Review By [PrincessTai] • Date [2 Jul 07] • Not Rated
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