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Review of chapter "Chapter Seven." from Vorchan
Review:
I like the idea of a historical fanfiction story in this series... I am currently working on some myself.
One is partially published called "Persecution by an Evil Empire" regarding end ww2 and Cold War history/Buffy crossover (historical fiction, as it were).
Typical of me: the geopolitics are a little odd; the undead community is split, the Soviet government has it's own NKVD vampire division (that's used to control them, and extend Stalin's reign over the HST community).
It'll probably be a tragedy.
Comments from author:
Thank-you, this was a story that I'd been meaning to write for ages, it took a while for me to get a plotline though.

You might like to try;

http://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-29032/DaveTurner+A+Rendezvous+with+Death.htm

This is a story about Buffy meeting Giles' father towards the end of WWII.

There's actually quite a lot of historical/alternative history xovers on TTH but they're not always easy to find.

Cheers,
D.
Review By [Vorchan] • Date [29 Mar 14] • Rating [8 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter Seven." from maxthehobbit
Review:
Good job of weaving the Buffy-verse into WWII, very creative. Strange, I'm an American and while I was in the Air Force I spent 4.5 years in Japan and 5 years in Germany. They were some of the nicest people I ran into in my career, but Netherlands ... not so much. I had a bad opinion about Great Britain while I was in London, but when I made my way into the country-side, they were good people and easy to get along with ... made me proud of my British heritage. Could be foreigners feel the same about New York, I didn't think much of it myself.
Thanks for posting this very interesting story.
Comments from author:
Bit confused here as the story was about WWI and WWII was only mentioned at the end.

My own experience was that the closer you got to the Inter-German border the nicer the locals were and the less they minded you driving over their fields in your tank.

The Dutch, always nice to us, but then we both have Royal Families and we Liberated them. A Dutch lady I knew still talked about the day British tanks arrived in her village as the best day of her life.

London? Lived here for 30+ years and found the people friendlier than the so-called warm-hearted northerners where I used to live. However I can see how London could appear cold and unfriendly.

Americans; the 101st Airborne seemed like nice chaps though a little 'gung-ho' for my liking (attacking a tank this an M16 should only be do in war comics!).

Just goes to show!

Cheers,
D.
Review By [maxthehobbit] • Date [24 Nov 11] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter Seven." from ObsidianBlack
Review:
I largely enjoyed the story a lot, and seeing Buffy get smacked down is, always enjoyable. However I felt that the twist ending really doesn't work.

First, a conflict like WWII was inevitable. That a charismatic, popular leader would ride the tide of resentment and antisemitism in Germany was a certainty. Hitler was a symptom of a disease in Germany. Antisemitism, racism, and nationalism were long ingrained in German thought and identity at the time, and had Hitler not exploited it, someone else would have in his place. The resentment and bitterness created by the Treaty of Versailles, combined with the turbulence of the Great Depression, and the centuries-long antisemitism of the region, left the German people ripe for the picking, made them perfect for the kind of ideology Hitler and the Nazi party pushed. Many in Germany were calling for many of the very policies that Hitler implemented in Germany long before his rise to power. He was merely in the right place at the right time, and without him, it is likely someone else would have filled the void.

In many ways, Hitler's own actions are what allowed the Allies to win the war in the first place. Hitler was a megalomaniac, who didn't listen to more competent advisers, and many of his actions, such as stopping all weapons production before the failed invasion of the USSR (due to his overconfidence and arrogance), did much to actually damage Germany's war machine, and hastened the nation's fall. If a more competent leader had taken over, such as Goerring or the like, it may have turned out a lot different, and worse, for the Allies. And of course, Stalin had his sights set on Europe and the US, but got distracted and weakened by the war against Hitler. More people likely would have died had the world gone to war against Stalin than did in World War II. Certainly, Stalin's war machine was formidable, and without Hitler and Nazi Germany weakening it, it is possible that Stalin could have been a threat instead.

Furthermore, as odd as it sounds, in the long run World War II did a lot of good. In that it made the world see the evils of prejudice and racism. Many US states, California for example, had been implementing Nazi-like policies, such as sterilizations, decades before the Nazis did so. Institutional and government supported discrimination polices in the US and elsewhere largely ended as a result of the Holocaust. Without the actions of Nazi Germany to horrify people, it is possible, eve likely, that segregation and institutionalized racism and antisemitism would still exist today in US and elsewhere. The end of European colonialism, and the atrocities that came along with it, was a also a result of WWII. Fascism and nationalism as a political ideology were also discredited in the US and Europe, whereas previous to the war, there were many who found fascism alluring, and hoped to see it implemented in the US and Britain. The war shows the true evils and horrors of such ideology.

So, largely, I disagree with the premise put forth that the large scale destruction caused by World War II would have been avoided just by stopping Hitler's rise. History seems to suggest exactly the opposite, that the War, and it's results was inevitable.
Comments from author:
An interesting pov, your conclusions are quite sound. But as I think I said at the end of the story (it's been a while since I really looked at it) other wars did happen (I agree that some would have been inevitable) but what I was suggesting was that no single war as devastating as WWII happened.

For instance; Japan in all probability would have attacked China. It was not inevitable that they would have attacked the US or European powers. They only attacked when they felt they'd been backed into a corner by the US oil embargo. The Japanese were quite aware of the dangers of fighting the US.

These sorts of things can be argued about all day and all night, its one of the things about alternate history that I love!

Thank-you for your review and thoughts.

Dave.

PS; Also when you come right down to it...it was really only a plot device...OH! I just remembered didn't the people from up-time say that WWII was one of the harder things to stop? Who's to say that their time-line (no WWII) is right and our time-line (with WWII) is wrong? Perhaps Dawn actually ensured that the correct time-line happened. To be honst I really don't know what was going through my mind at the time of writing.

D.
Review By [ObsidianBlack] • Date [21 Aug 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Seven." from TheatricalBarrister
Review:
A nice story. I loved the twist outcome -- definitely not expected.
Comments from author:
Thank-you muchly!

DaveT.
Review By [TheatricalBarrister] • Date [15 Jul 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Seven." from RafMereC
Review:
Another cool one.

Raf
Comments from author:
Cheers, thank-you.

DaveT.
Review By [RafMereC] • Date [13 Jun 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Seven." from (Recent Donor)Kiwikatipo
Review:
That was a real twisty ending, poor Dawn.

Australia & New Zealand in 1923 were pretty dull places unless you like fishing.
Comments from author:
Well they'd love it being sporty type women...I thought they might run a private girls school on South Island or something, lots of fresh air and jolly hockey sticks!

Yes poor Dawn indeed, and if I ever get round to writing the follow up it'll be even more poor Dawn...but it'll all be for the greater good.

DaveT.
Review By [(Recent Donor)Kiwikatipo] • Date [16 Jan 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Seven." from (Moderator)Saturn
Review:
Another great story. Thanks for posting.
Comments from author:
Thanks, and thanks for the 'Rec'.
Dave.
Review By [(Moderator)Saturn] • Date [7 Jan 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Seven." from CPTSkip
Review:
Excellent story with a surprisingly downbeat "happy ending". Dawn once again proved that the road to Hell is built with good intentions. You write a lot of excellent happy little stories that have a real bite to them. I look forward to more of your entertaining little morality plays.
Comments from author:
You say the nicest things, we'll see what we can do.

Dave.
Review By [CPTSkip] • Date [6 Jan 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Seven." from MarcusRowland
Review:
Demon lord hasselthingy is REALLY starting to annoy me - I hope that sooner or later you have something suitably horrible planned for him.
Comments from author:
I have indeed got an 'end' waiting for him...I just haven't found a way of getting there! Give me time I'll think of something.

Dave.
Review By [MarcusRowland] • Date [6 Jan 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Seven." from JoeDineen
Review:
Entertaining, amusing but not as outright funny as some of your others. As for stopping WWII, not sure it can be done. IMO, Hitler, made it worse but it was pretty much inevitable. Only persuading the French to make a magnamious peace or preventing the Depression could really derail WWII.
Comments from author:
Thanks, as I think it was Hasseldorf who said there would be wars but noithing quite as bad as WWII. But you have to admit that as a Dawn screw-up it was a bigger!

Dave.
Review By [JoeDineen] • Date [6 Jan 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Five." from CPTSkip
Review:
Ooooo! THIS last bit is definitely not a good sign. I love it when a good plan goes all bluwie! Lol! I look forward to more of your story. Maybe it all won't end horribly after all. Right!
Comments from author:
Posting the last two chapters tomorrow(Tuesday) then you'll see whether it has a happy ending...out of ten maybe?

Dave.
Review By [CPTSkip] • Date [4 Jan 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Five." from (Moderator)jrabbit
Review:
Oh no, not him again...

Question: Does the road to hell have 2 lanes coned off for roadworks on Bank Holiday weekends with no sign of any construction workers actually doing anything because they are waiting for a fresh batch of good intentions from the warehouse?
Comments from author:
Yes him again!

That's a very good question I'd have to call Infernal Roadwatch to check!

Dave.
Review By [(Moderator)jrabbit] • Date [4 Jan 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Five." from MarcusRowland
Review:
The only way I can see this working is if Hasselhof's plan is to establish a historical event such as the Holocaust that didn't otherwise happen, e.g. by keeping Hitler alive in WW1. Nobody will notice because it's an event in the past so regarded as histroy.

And Dawn has a little boy, and was made from the Slayer. Hmm.... what was that about the son of the Slayer?
Comments from author:
So close but no cigar!

Dave.
Review By [MarcusRowland] • Date [4 Jan 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Four." from CPTSkip
Review:
Uh oh! "In a flash of light" eh? Me thinks Dawn had just messed with the timestream a bit. Lol! I wonder if Lady Joanna was trying to take out Hitler the day she vanished? More of Dawn's messing around? Or the bloody Nazis? Great story and I look forward to more.
Comments from author:
Anything can happen in the next three chapters!

Sunday...more...see ya'

Dave.
Review By [CPTSkip] • Date [2 Jan 09] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Four." from MarcusRowland
Review:
Is this the PTBs trying to keep Goering alive?? That does not bode well. OTOH, if it's Dawn being helpful...
Comments from author:
TPTB keeping Goering alive!?!? Never thought of that! Mind you I never trusted the bounders...do you think they're secretly Boche?

Dave.
Review By [MarcusRowland] • Date [2 Jan 09] • Not Rated
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