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Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from twlight
Okay they broke the guy, so how long did he last before he broke?
Review By [twlight] • Date [18 Jun 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from meteoricshipyards

Although I'm not sure that the slayers could take out all the wizards. Of course, with Willow the world destroying witch they could.

Enjoyable isn't the word I'd use for the fic. Satisfying that the wizarding world got what it deserved, but unfortunately Buffy had to be killed to make it happen.

Thanks for the story.

Tom A.
Comments from author:
Well, I suppose it depends on when you think Fudge's reality diverts from Willow and Faith's. There's really any point where reality could be delusion in this story, I think it's up to the reader to decided when that shift happens.

Thanks for reading and reviewing!
Review By [meteoricshipyards] • Date [10 Jul 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from YoruHana
A little confused. Did they actually /do// those things, or after Willow made him sleep did she just make him /see// them doing those things. I ask becasue it seems at the end with them watching him that they just stood there and let him see a vision of them cracking the wizarding world like an egg without lifting a finger to actually /do// it...
Comments from author:
There's a point where Fudge diverts from reality. Where that point is, I say is up to the reader. Some people like it to divert right from the beginning, others until right before Harry and the Order show up. It's up to you to decide how much happened and how much was Fudge's delusions.

He DOES crack. Fudge is, after all, purely a political power, and couldn't stand up to true opposition. I like to think that his mind ran away early on, but that's just me.

Thanks for reading and reviewing!
Review By [YoruHana] • Date [9 Apr 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from banner
The story was grim enough, but "Bored now," made me *shudder.*
Good work!
Comments from author:
It just seemed to work that way.

Thanks for reading and reviewing!
Review By [banner] • Date [10 Jan 11] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from RippersGirl
Very creepy. You did a good job with it.
Comments from author:
Thanks, it's been fun to write. It was a different blend from what I'd been writing, but I think it came out alright.

Thanks for reading!
Review By [RippersGirl] • Date [3 Nov 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from endeni
Oh, boy, that was amazing. So powerful. The last line was a killer!
Comments from author:
Glad you like it!
Review By [endeni] • Date [20 Oct 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from alexceasar
Damn, that was dark! And yet totally believable as to how Willow and Faith could react to such an event. Amazing job. Loved it.
Comments from author:
Thanks, I'm glad you like it!
Review By [alexceasar] • Date [19 Oct 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from Chikageko

Talk about dark. Nice scene with voldimort though. It always struck me as strange how useless HP wizzards are without their wands.
Comments from author:
Yeah, it's something that always seemed to bug me, too. Of course, that does explain why disarming was such an important dueling move.

As for the darkness, it's just a little thing that seemed to work in my head.

Thanks for reading!
Review By [Chikageko] • Date [17 Oct 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from LetsRandom
This is a very good and dark read. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Comments from author:
Thanks, it was fun to write.
Review By [LetsRandom] • Date [14 Sep 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from MarcusFenix
First, I have to get something out. It's from the first season, first? episode of Robot Chicken:



This was very, very good. I've never found a more fitting reward for Cornelius Fudge and the Ministry of Magic in fanfiction before this.

You deserve your award, good sir!
Comments from author:
Well, I don't have it yet, but thanks for your vote!

And that is a good sketch, if absolutely, positively, horrible at the same time.

Thanks for reading!
Review By [MarcusFenix] • Date [14 Aug 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from MissE
Oh. Um. Wow. Can see why it was nominated.
Comments from author:
Thank you. I am very honored by that.
Review By [MissE] • Date [28 Jul 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from (Current Donor)Speakertocustomers
Delightful! The next best thing to 'The Muggle Way' being finished.
Comments from author:
Thanks! I'm glad you like it.
Review By [(Current Donor)Speakertocustomers] • Date [20 Jul 10] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from (Current Donor)Shieldage
Yes, very 'Brazil'. Good fic :)
Comments from author:
I like Brazil.

Review By [(Current Donor)Shieldage] • Date [18 Jul 10] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from Prometeus
Huh, you're right. Wizarding society is a lot worse than even I considered.

The connection between bureaucracy and suppressing creativity is really obvious when you think about it, yet I missed it. I overspecified their fear as being against normals when it's really against any difference at all.

In most stories I end up thinking HP should just get a gun with wizard-killing bullets enchanted by goblins, something the goblins must have in order for war against wizards to be at all possible. I also end up thinking that quashing such creativity is obviously what the Department for the Misuse of Muggle Artifacts is all about even though it's not like the gun is being misused by enhancing its killing power, by working better than advertised.

Same with their immigration policy which is really racist. English wizards only, with the rare token from English colonies (Hong Kong and India). Despite their population being miniscule, there's no intermixing with those dirty sexually-liberated racially-impure French. They also don't take in any East European mudbloods even though Durmstrang refuses them. Probably Beauxbatons does but then France is a lot saner than England in real life.

I also missed the House = cult connection, probably because McGonagall fails utterly in the charisma department (is she played by a munchkin doing minmaxing?). But then that's why Dumbledore's a Gryffindore after all. Sorting by personality traits then becomes really obvious since it all serves to make their respective cult leaders more charismatic. The same thing for having the heads of house be the primary teachers and having them serve for nearly all classes.

I used to think of the wizarding society as feudal and the Order of the Phoenix as a cult, but that's not really it at all. It's so much more than that. Everything in Hogwarts is set up to promulgate cult behaviour.

The Harry Potter series isn't that creative (it was 'in the air' when JKR wrote it) and the values it promulgates (luck and self-sacrifice) are the same values JKR used to succeed. She never used intelligence or planning because she's not capable of these (as the series shows in its blatant inconsistencies and banality). I don't think she's capable of hard work either, otherwise the last books wouldn't have been overlong pieces of crap. Reading JKR's mind in Harry Potter is a trivial exercise. Or so I used to think. This whole cult aspect adds an entirely new, disturbing, dimension to it. Was she ever drawn into a cult in her life?
Comments from author:
I have no idea about JKR's experiences. I do know that most authors who build horrid worlds to live in, usually don't want to live in those worlds. HP is in large part used as a backdrop to society in general. I have no doubt that there is some from JKR's real life because everything we do is affected by our experiences. I do know that she used the world to send some great lessons.

A really good analysis of Harry Potter is Harry Potter and the Law, it's a fascinating read.

I really recommend it. I'm working on my own analysis of some aspects as well, but this is a good place to start.
Review By [Prometeus] • Date [7 Jun 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "They Found Buffy..." from Prometeus
Well, I wasn't thinking of children born of wizards at all but to normals. There's about 40 students in HP's class, at least 2 of which (Hermione and Justin) are so-called "muggle"borns. And this is from the point of view of an abused, beaten kid who's terribly insular and is further insulated by his environment and handlers. The other classes seem similar. So basically, wizarding britain accepts above 5% immigration year on year. That's a LOT for a xenophobic culture.

The only thing that makes the brainwashing believable is the miniscule population of Wizarding Britain (about 40*100 = 4000) which means the immigrants can never achieve critical mass. This is compounded by the extreme Divide & Conquer methods (ie, Houses and Dorms) practiced at the local brainwashing unit (ie, boarding school). I can almost see the brainwashing working effectively given how extreme it is.

And yet, not really. Didn't the Jesuits try to get their hooks into children from as young as 7 years of age? No wait, the maxim goes "give me a child for the first seven years of his life and I'll give you the man". In reality, it's 9 years since there's a third stage of the brain losing plasticity at about age 9. So basically, 11 years of age is too late to start rigid brainwashing.

The flip side is that with such a miniscule wizarding population (the same thing that allows the brainwashing to be at all effective) the wizarding society will have trouble meeting all of its commitments. These include but are not limited to:

- keeping all of their settlements and magical environments (forests, tombs) hidden
- raising a genetically viable population of magical creatures (unicorns, dragons, phoenixes)
- keeping magical creatures hidden (centaurs, giants, werewolves, vampires, dragons, goblins)
- keeping magic itself hidden from physicists
- swindling and stealing children from normal parents
- erasing memories of any normal person who knows
- waging wars against any magical society on earth that decides to defect to the normals
- while keeping any such war completely invisible to the normals

And they have to do ALL THAT while retaining control over all of the immigrants and their natural desire to escape slave status in a dictatorship. I just don't see it happening. Maybe if they were MORE totalitarian than has been shown in canon, maybe then it would be possible. On the other hand, convening a grand jury to try a child for defending himself from government controlled assassins is pretty damned totalitarian. Same with having a Ministry Department for Magical Games and Sports. Okay yeah, I'm starting to see it.

Of course, all of this makes it that mucth more imperative that such a society be utterly destroyed.

No, it still doesn't work. Either a totalitarian government would oppress poor wizarding families like the Weaslys by imposing house construction standards (only from approved vendors!) and family size limits. OR all purebloods would be considered elite and given a free ride, kindof like the native Saudis over non-wizards and immigrants. Totalitarian governments always have an oppressed class. It's a rule -- look at the USA's! Granted, Cuba has been doing its best to violate that rule for the last decade or so. But of course that's because of its small size .... Huh!
Comments from author:
I have to disagree with your statement about 11 being to late for pure indoctrination. There are many cases where people older than 9 have been totally absorbed into a group to the exclusion of all else. Cults.

Cults tend not to recruit from children except for those born into the cult. New initiates are forced to give up everything about their previous life, or it is made to look like their previous life is worse. Cults are usually led by a charismatic male leader who pulls in others and even controls most of their lives.

Think now of Dumbledore as that charismatic leader. He is older, nominally in a position of trust and leadership. He "saves" Harry Potter from the Dursleys each year, but insists on Harry going back to them. It appears that he is temporarily giving up his power, but what he is really doing is ensuring that Harry's home life is filled with hate and abuse, so going to Hogwarts always seems like going to this wonderful place. Sooner rather than later, Harry is yearning for his friends and all the wondrous things they have in the Wizarding World. That is only one example, but consider the other Heads of House as the Cult Leader position to other "mudbloods."

In the Wizarding World, the Houses are used to act as a greater form of control over the students. By making those devisions, as you said, it prevents a massive growth of power, and forces a degree of conformity over the entire society, making distrust rampant right on into adulthood. Even if the "traits" that they are supposed to be divided by are supposed to be virtues, they are often seen as weaknesses by the other houses. This prevents any large coalition of people even in later life, ensuring that the old money, pureblood families control the government.

Then take into account the other forms of control they impose on society, especially the normals. Not only is there a specific, annoying term they use for muggles, they don't even realize the racism (magicism?) they are portraying, and that's before they try to be insulting. They extend this prejudice by hyper-regulating what objects can be enchanted and what enchantments can be placed. They are so paranoid that they won't even allow flying carpets because of these laws. They specifically have a bureaucracy in place to prevent creativity, in the form of boards that are supposed to review any new spells before they can be taught to others.

This can also be seen in the form of their immigration policy, as you mentioned. Immigration into the Wizarding World is almost entirely by invitation only. Their control over society is such that they do not allow for any wildcards, which is why there was such an extreme reaction to Voldemort the first time, and then Harry's declaration that Tommy was back. Both cases were people going outside the mold, and that scares them. Just the thought of someone going outside the status quo scared them so much, that they chose pure delusion and character assassination over considering the possibility.

Basically, their entire society is designed to protect their own asses because they are afraid of the Other. That part is wholly human, but their reaction to that fear is excessive in the extreme.
Review By [Prometeus] • Date [6 Jun 10] • Not Rated
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