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Review of chapter "Chapter 19" from deathgeonous
Review:
This is sch a great and fun fic. Thanks for writing it, and bye for now.
Review By [deathgeonous] • Date [1 Dec 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 19" from JediKnight
Review:
Very interesting, but giving the group the last name "Scooby" was something I wasn't sure how to take. Also, considering the 2 genres in this story it was a little lacking in action than what most fans would expect; other than that nice and I hope you'll do a sequal.
Review By [JediKnight] • Date [9 Aug 12] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter 19" from draconis
Review:
Quite a good story. Definitely held my interest...until the last few chapters. Would have rated at least a 9 but toward the end things are just a bit too convenient...especially the handling of the Detweilers (deducing clones, capture of, and resolution of the war). Seemed as though by this point you wanted just to get to the end quickly. Still enjoyable, however. Thank you.
Review By [draconis] • Date [7 Jul 12] • Rating [8 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter 2" from Fayari
Review:
Had a little too much pro-Buffy justification for me. She made very few good decisions at the time, and a lot of bad ones. She's not exactly the best strategist or tactician. The group's behavior when Buffy suggested that they try the same failed plan immediately, was understandable and reminiscent to a group of soldiers with a CO that already messed up and cost them fellow soldiers in a half-baked assault against the enemy that they knew nothing about. Buffy just wasn't thinking straight. She was ordering them, a group of two slayers and a gaggle of teenage girls and a one-eyed guy, to go up against a slew of evil supervampires on a hunch that there was some mysterious unknown object that the Big Bad wanted was there in that vineyard. The only reason Buffy's plan worked at all was because she was the heroine of the series and thus had Deus Ex Machina on her side.
Comments from author:
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Having said that, many of the problems around the time of "Empty Places," centered around the Scoobies and Potentials saying, in essence, "Oh, you're in charge, but we're going to do what we want, whether you like it or not!" then blaming it on Buffy when a reconnaissance managed to hit an enemy strong point, at which time they said, "oh, my God, people could get hurt!" and wanted to vote. I, personally, think that "Empty Places," was the most OOC writing in the whole series.

But if you're going to call that part of the series, and have the characters work with each other again, there had better be apologies - and Buffy wasn't the one actively kicking people out.
Review By [Fayari] • Date [1 Jul 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 19" from BrownFinderth
Review:
Great story! Sorry to see it come to an end.
Review By [BrownFinderth] • Date [14 Jun 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from (Recent Donor)Luna
Review:
Hmmmm this looks promising! I typically shy away from any fic that features Whistler, but this seems very interesting :)
Comments from author:
Whistler just has the one cameo, right here.
Review By [(Recent Donor)Luna] • Date [21 May 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 19" from slmncpm
Review:
*smiles* a great ending. thank you! *hands you scones*
Comments from author:
*chomps on blueberry scones*
Review By [slmncpm] • Date [11 May 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 17" from BrownFinderth
Review:
Oh, this story by DeacBlue is so very wonderful!!! I am eagerly going to be awaiting future updates to it! I do wonder why we only have the names of two of the other Slayers (Rona & Vi) out of the couple dozen more? What about Chao-An and others?
Comments from author:
To quote an earlier Author's Note: The canon sources that I have only explicitly list the following Slayers living through the Sunnydale collapse: Buffy, Faith, Caridad, Chao-Ahn, Kennedy, Rona, Vi, and Shannon. They, however, do state an indefinite number of other Slayers survived (though some died). This fic focused more than I was figuring on, on the core Scoobies.
Review By [BrownFinderth] • Date [5 Mar 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 17" from dialNforNinja
Review:
Well, I don't have anything useful to say this time, so I'll leave it at, "Keep on pluggin'!"

- dNN
Comments from author:
I did. One more chappie to wrap things up.
Review By [dialNforNinja] • Date [16 Jan 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 17" from Genuka
Review:
*snicker* I like the royal reaction. *snicker*
Comments from author:
She's not known for her long temper.
Review By [Genuka] • Date [19 Dec 11] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter 16" from SledgeHammer
Review:
Why they *had* to get close to the Honorverse cast is rather simple, simply going to *why* said cast is, in fact, critical.

1. Honor Harrington, as herself, is THE pre-eminent military officer in the Grayson Space Navy (and that was BEFORE she was specifically chosen by Benjamin Mayhew (Benjamin IX) as commander in chief of the "Protector's Own" - his own space navy). She is also the most famous officer in the Royal Manticoran Navy (and the RMN's second-highest-ranking officer - her hubby, Hamish Alexander-Harrington is the RMN's highest ranking officer - First Space Lord as of "Mission of Honor").

2. Her brother in law (Hamish's brother) is Prime Minister of Manticore (MoH again).

3. Honor is also a close confidant of not just Benjamin IX of Grayson, but of Elizabeth Winton - current monarch of Manticore - and therefore a nice convenient *backchannel* into their respective monarchies.

4. At this point in the Honorverse, Honor had just come back from Haven (where she had been sent by Manticore and Grayson for peace negotiations) only to come face to face with the aftermath of the Mesan Alignment's "sneak attack" on Manticore and Grayson - Oyster Bay (MoH yet again) *and* the Mesan intriguery within the Solarian League.

5. Throughout "Mission of Honor", the Mesan intrigueries led to a series of deliberately provocative actions by various SLN military officers along the overly large SLN border with the Manticoran Alliance (and mostly against the Royal Manticoran Navy) - much to the horror of the Sollies, the SLN got thoroughly "pantsed" militarily by the much smaller RMN - basically "The Short Victorious War" writ even larger.

6. Just as in MoH, all this can be laid at the doorstoop of Abraham Detweiler and his amoral genetic slavers. (The only difference in terms of Team Sunnydale is that in this cross, it was the First Feeble that had been whispering seductive naughtiness into Abe Detweiler's ear - the Mesans - basically, the descendants and clones of the original Detweilers - already had various bones to pick with Manticore, Grayson, Haven, and even the Sollies - pretty much based on all four outlawing the genetic-slave trade.)

Basically, Honor Harrington is the fulcrum by which Team Sunnydale can put the Final Beatdown on the First Feeble - once and for all.
Comments from author:
Pretty much.
Review By [SledgeHammer] • Date [9 Dec 11] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter Ten" from SledgeHammer
Review:
Buffy's reaction - Classic Buffy; while she is attracted to Emily physically, she sees her (due to "Buffy's" upbringing) as a mother-figure - basically, a replacement for Joyce. Worse, she sees herself as "poaching" - not just on Hamish, but on Honor as well. Emily has a clue-by-four; however, this is not a new one - it's the same one she used on Hamish (and Honor) which she used to get them off the Royal Barge - now she's using it on Buffy for the same reason.

Emily's reaction - Read both "War of Honor" and "Mission of Honor" - Emily's reaction is as canon as it gets.
Comments from author:
*nods*
Review By [SledgeHammer] • Date [1 Dec 11] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter 4" from SledgeHammer
Review:
No kidding, Ruth. It's actually part of the reason Honor *herself* went to Haven in *Mission of Honor*. (In a way, this can be considered an AU of MoH - which makes it all the more critical that you read that story - currently in hardcover and e-book formats.) And it also ties in with *why* - publicly - everyone believes Anton Zilwicki to be deader than a doornail.
Comments from author:
Thank you very much for your comment.
Review By [SledgeHammer] • Date [30 Nov 11] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter 3" from SledgeHammer
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Secretary X. If you have been following the dangerous Anton Zilwicki, then you know about "Secretary X" AKA Jeremy X AKA direction of Special Dances for the Audubon Ballroom, the anti-slavery organization that is basically the Simon Wiesenthal Center with extra teeth. (When your organization is named the Audobon Ballroom, and considering that a ballroom hosts dancing, what do YOU think his title should be?) The Ballroom, despite it being considered a terrorist organization, is not only linked (sideways) to Honor Harrington and the Star Empire of Manticore, it's *also* linked to the Republic of Haven (via their version of Anton Zilwicki - Victor Cachat). Both the Manticoran Alliance and the RoH (in fact, so does the Solarian League) have a treaty in place that specifically outlaws genetic slavery *and* the creation of genetic slaves. (Thank their version of the Eugenics Wars for that - it's part of most Honor Harrington stories, albeit as backstory; however, it's VIB (Very Important Backstory) - and not just for this crossover, either.)
Comments from author:
Thanks for your comment.
Review By [SledgeHammer] • Date [30 Nov 11] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter 16" from dialNforNinja
Review:
To be honest, I have mixed reactions to the premise of this story. The actual plot as so far revealed is fine, and quite engaging, but I don't see why you need to hook everyone up in a mass-marriage. B/W/X isn't so unexpected, or even adding Dawn to the grouping really, though including Rupes when he's been a father-figure for as long as they've known him is kind of a stretch.

What I really don't see, and what you haven't included really any in-story development for, is them getting that close to ANY of the Honorverse cast. They're just suddenly draped over each other and affectionate out of nowhere. Has Hamish even had any lines? Certainly Honor isn't the type to act precipitously in matters of the heart! And then, there's the matter of age differences - Giles is the only one who'd really be a contemporary of theirs, and even that is questionable given the fact that they are all very much from a different cultural background, for all that their language is the same and Manticore's political system mirrors what he knows as British - they'd know none of the same movies, or music, or literature beyond the classics that are by this time literally ancient history.

The Harrington-Alexanders are all highly educated career professionals, as well, while the Scoobies aside from Giles are at best college students with far less life experience - it's frankly kind of squicky for them to be getting together, and Giles' own reaction to walking in on/vidphoning two pairs of his supposed impending-spouses indicates he's not really being included the way you seem to intend to begin with. I think it would be a much stronger story if the two groups were just close friends and confidants without trying to collect them all into some big love-in circle. Especially after just a few months to get to know each other, when they're talking about spending centuries together.

I don't mean to put a damper on your enthusiasm, it's just these seem like major flaws that should be addressed. I do, really and truly, like the time-skip itself and the way the Scoobs have drawn their fractured friendships back together now that they aren't under such crushing pressure and the First's constant mind screws from the last season, and the way they bring new energy and viewpoints to the Honorverse in a time when the canon main cast is literally war-torn and weary. It wouldn't even be all that big a revision to tone down the relationship angles, and it would tighten the focus on the political and military mission left to them by the Powers That Were.

- dNN


edit to reply to response:

If the group relationship is important to the story you want to tell, then of course it must be included. I'm not asking for a kiss-by-kiss or bedroom adventures, but adding in some mention of the winks and nods, or of two of them talking, one of them gets up and stands so as to look out a window, and the other one has to re-collect their thoughts because the silhouette limned with light just suddenly chased every word out of their head, someone thinking about the age and background differences and concluding they're workable as you've explained them - not even for everyone, but you know, a representative sample. This would go a long, long way toward making the whole feel less sudden and awkward; I literally sputtered "Wait, WHAT!?" when Xander was perched on Emily's chair and she was playing with his hair, because it was so out of the blue.

I'm glad to see you're reasonable about honestly meant criticism, I really do like the wider aspects of your story and just wanted to make it stronger, and I know one of the best ways to kill off an idea is by associating it with the bad feelings of a major argument/flame war. I definitely want to see what happens next even if you keep on just as before, so keep it coming!
Comments from author:
Thank you for commenting in such a precise manner. Forgive me if my thoughts are slightly jumbled, but I just got up.

As far as the age difference, yes, there is one, though not bodily (where you can see), so much. Hamish and Emily are in their 100's, Honor is in her 70's, Giles in his late 40's - early 50's, BWX in their twenties. And, yes, that's a gap, even for Prolong society. But as they seem to be starting a line-type marriage (still not sure yet), that's actually a good, stable distribution.

As for the "type" of people, at least education-wise, I see both Honor and Hamish as having the equivalent of Master's degrees in their fields; Emily is harder to pin down, but at least has the equivalent of a Bachelor's, and might have a Master's. Giles at a minimum has a doctorate, and from what we've heard, having multiple doctorates isn't out of the question. Willow would qualify as a double Bachelor's (CompSci and Wicca), Buffy the equivalent of a Bachelor's (Tactics and Martial Arts), and Xander a high-end tradesman (remember he was the one who rebuilt, with his crews, Sunnydale High). The education levels intermix, and are often in different fields, but they're close enough to each other to allow for easy communication, once the Scoobies have caught up with the current information, which is what they spent their time boning up on during the first trip to Torch. Not current culture - even a contemporary of Honor's who specializes in such things (Web du Havel) admits that you just can't keep up with the minutiae of 2000 or more planets, and the Harrington-Alexanders are used to dealing with people who have no idea what show "Ask Mrs. Greycloud," is.

As far as life experience, I'd have to disagree with you. Besides more than equivalent experience saving the world/universe, the Scoobies have had years of experience fighting and leading every day for between five and ten years - something that the Honorverse triad didn't. With Honor & co., it was, fight (often at a distance), win or draw - almost always with losses, and pull away for anywhere from a week to a month or more to repeat the cycle. With Buffy, it was fight, win with extremely rare losses, avoid being found out, go to sleep, and repeat. While they're not equal, they can be seen as equivalent. These groups were both movers and shakers, both comfortable with seeing those in power as people. By the way, Hamish definitely has lines, but as he's most comfortable speaking from a position of command, he's most often listening and learning here.

As far as power, politically, the Harrington-Alexanders are by far in the ascendant, having direct power over sizable chunks of people and real estate on two worlds and advisory status over dozens more. As far as money goes, the Senior Scoobies take the cake, having on the close order of 1.2 Trillion Manticoran dollars together(with more coming from the payment for Willow's missile construction satellite construction). All of the Sunnydale bus riders, together, have more than Klaus Hauptman, in fact, more than all but a few individuals in the universe.

So the two groups could work together, could be a group that works itself out and loves each other. If they find that they're attracted to each other, of course. And they have. For the exact manner in which they have, I'll have to lay the blame at Mr. Weber's feet, as his method was always to leave small hints and summarize, showing what happened without either painting Honor, etc., as a loveless bitch, or having the story become Honor as Robert Heinlein's Friday.

The fact is, relationship-wise, the Senior Scoobies(let's just say the Scoobies), after their change through the portal, realized their love for each other, and got together as fianc├ęs. They then met Honor and Hamish, and flirting, etc, almost without knowing it, began. This was brought into focus when the Sollies first came to town, and both sides admitted to some feelings. That's why they decided to see if they were real feelings, or just lust, and set it up so that they'd have several months to find out.

The fact that they're talking centuries beyond that is immaterial - there have been pairings in real life where they met and married the same day, and were together for more than fifty years, until one was widowed.

What I'm trying to say is that they can be compatible, that they can find out that fact in the time they gave themselves, and it's reasonable, in this universe, for them to express themselves in the manner that they are.

Once again, thank you. I'll need to re-think the ways I've tried to convey these facts.
Review By [dialNforNinja] • Date [23 Nov 11] • Rating [6 out of 10]
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