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Review of chapter "Lament Aftermath" from Fayari
So Buffy, who greatly wronged both Xander and Joy, gets to go to heaven, while Xander and Joy, the wronged parties and the ones who showed mercy towards the woman who wronged them in the end, go to hell...

Please keep in mind that just as you are sick of these Xander-fics where Xander is excused of most of his wrong-doings, so too are many sick of canon-events where Buffy is excused of most of her wrong-doings.

Taking a step back, let's look at the wrongdoings of Xander in canon, disregarding times when he was not fully in control of his actions.

1. He was antagonistic towards Angel, partly because of his Jealousy, and partly because Angel is a vampire who's killed hundreds of people.

2. He lied about the hyena, and the soul curse, the first time because he was ashamed of almost raping Buffy under the control of the Hyena, and the second because he believed Angelus needed to be defeated and he was not willing to risk Buffy holding back.

3. He cheated on Cordelia, with Willow, because he was afraid that they were losing each other.

4. He left Anya at the altar, because of his fears of ending up like his father.

Somehow, to the Xander-hater, he's become the useless hanger-on who's jealousy overrides his capacity for rational thought, disregarding of course all the instances where Xander was a supportive friend, a shoulder to cry on, and a genuinely kind, loving, and brave person.

Now let's take a look at Buffy's wrong-doings, with the same criteria.

1. She willingly went into a relationship with Angel that she knew was doomed, because she was attracted to Angel.

2. She lap-danced Xander, because she wanted to make Angel jealous.

3. She routinely pushed away her friends and family, partly because she wanted to protect them, and partly because she believed herself superior to them since she was the Slayer.

4. She frequently complained about her Slayer status, and yet lorded it and identified it whenever someone came along to challenge that status, such as Kendra and Faith, probably because she is a dominant personality in general, who enjoyed getting sympathy (it's true, nearly everybody enjoys getting it).

5. She always stubbornly tripped the most obvious of their enemy traps, partly because of her lack of foresight, and partly because in her belief that she is the Slayer and therefore superior.

6. She frequently insists upon everyone conforming to her point of view, and nearly never admits she is wrong.

And yet somehow, in canon, she would say a few quick words of apology and show a bit of regret, and suddenly everything she's ever done is forgiven. It's fairly annoying.
Comments from author:
You're suggesting that her abandonment of them is worse than premeditated murder? That her sins warrant the death penalty while their actions don't? It is your moral compass that needs resetting if you are going to make a blanket statement about mine based on how I wrote this story. Granted, it's a story taken to extremes but Xan and Joy took their actions to extremes as well, plus use of the W.I.S.H. practically cries out for there to be some horrendous backlash on the wisher. My moral compass has nothing to do with that, just extrapolation to the nth degree.
Review By [Fayari] • Date [3 Sep 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Lament Aftermath" from Gideon
A harsh example of why Vengence is never a good idea and only encourages more of the same. I can't see Giles or Dawn going along with this 'punishment' because it just means that more innocent people die and it is much worse than what Xander intended. Willow might if she was in a bad mood but I prefer to think that she has grown from where she was in season 6. I would have thought a quick death for both Xander and Joy would be preferable and much more justifiable. After all they have all let off murderers before: Willow, Faith and Giles are murderers and only Faith has served any time. Angel and Spike of course are murderers many hundreds of times over. I'm glad that Xander released Joy from the prison of her body though, that was the right thing to do, no matter whart the consequences. I hope Willow has plans for D'hofran too, after all he was involved in Buffy's death too. None of the characters end up looking good in this story, but then, some stories are like that.
Review By [Gideon] • Date [29 May 11] • Rating [7 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Lament Aftermath" from Hasty
Lament was a pretty good story. This was fucking terrible.
Comments from author:
So you approve of premeditated murder?
Review By [Hasty] • Date [4 Dec 10] • Rating [1 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Lament Aftermath" from cryyhavoc
I'm disappointed. In you. You're better than this, I have read most of your stuff and thoroughly enjoy it. But, this is an emotional response to a story you found distasteful. It was a waste of your talents and puts you on a level with mmooch and Kate. Again, you are better than this.
Comments from author:
It may be an emotional response but it wouldn't leave me alone to concentrate on my other stories. It had to be written to get it out of my head. As this was a one shot, you need not concern yourself with it being continued by me and return to reading the stories you do enjoy.
Review By [cryyhavoc] • Date [26 Nov 10] • Rating [1 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Lament Aftermath" from Xovervore
With the story 'Lament' I wrote 2 reviews - the first stated my view that the first 6 chapters were well-written albeit a sad story [but that the 7th chapter was ringing a warning bell for me]. The second review I basically expressed my disappointment with last chapter of 'Lament' - a viewpoint that you obviously share, hence your answer story (incidentally, I don't understand meaning of the reply Poe made to my review).

Now, re: this story. My comments are about some of the events in the story of note and my interpretation of them, not criticism - it seems the Council unleashed a vampire that killed 254 people - naughty Council :-) !
In 'Lament' Joy had the vengeance idea, but Xander actually made the wish - he was responsible, he was the adult.
It was a nice twist to make it clear to Xander that Willow crafted his punishment - BFF indeed (ha, ha, take that Xander!)

So, how do I judge this - I feel Joy 's punishment was slightly excessive, but I understand the rage that all the slayers had, so it is plausible.
One final comment - let no one underestimate Buffy, because wherever she is (even in Heaven) she is likely to somehow find out, and despite being in Heaven still somehow care about her daughter, and get her out of Hell (and then for her next trick cure everyone's tumors and forgive Xander) - ah, well, that's my hope, however unlikely (the men with straitjackets appear and cart Xovervore away).
Review By [Xovervore] • Date [26 Nov 10] • Rating [8 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Lament Aftermath" from FireWolfe
This is a very good follow up to Lament. I am kind of sorry I did not think of it myself. Well written and well done. Though a more fitting punishment might have been to force Joy and Xander to defend humanity to the end of time then pay for their crimes. Well done however because I still think Xander set himself up for the whole situation.

Comments from author:
Thanks for the vote of confidence.

I agree. Using the W.I.S.H. is only asking for trouble.
Review By [FireWolfe] • Date [25 Nov 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Lament Aftermath" from nitsuJ
One would think that an aftermath would follow up on the original story. This however has no correlation whatsoever with Poe's story. "Lament" was a well written story that was still believable when you take into account BtvS cannon. And to be honest, this story is so farfetched that you might as well write the prequel yourself, because if you would read them seperately you wouldn't know they belonged together.
Review By [nitsuJ] • Date [25 Nov 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Lament Aftermath" from Iceflame
I find this story very entertaining, given how this is apparently a follow-up to one of those 'Pity Xander, he deserves all the Kudos' stories; the kind of Xander-centric story that has left me almost incapable of reading ANY Xander-centric story and enjoying it. I like Xander, don't get me wrong; Just not as the main character in a story, and NEVER paired with Buffy alone (Threesomes with Xander have tended to avoid overpowering/overworshipping him for some odd reason).

Anyway, as to what a certain other reviewer replied, for Xander's daughter to have gotten away with murder, would imply everyone else around Buffy would have had to have agreed to let it slide. Sorry, can't see that. Especially if, as your story added, everyone ELSE was condemned to short deaths for the rest of the Slayer Line's existence, because of one person's outrage over 'wrongs committed'. Eye for an Eye, I can barely see; but not an eye from everyone around the target as well. And by using a wish from the LORD of all freaking Wish Demons? That has to be the stupidest thing for anyone around the Scoobies to do. There is NOTHING good that happens from those wishes; the Demons granting those will always twist those to the maximum amount of destruction.
Comments from author:
I didn't really see it as a 'Pity Xander' story. I just thought giving Buffy a death sentence for not being a good parent was a bit much. There were several other mundane things that could have been done to make her feel bad for leaving her husband and child.

I am glad that you seem to agree that it would be nearly impossible for every one to let a murder slide without some punishment (my version wsas a bit over the top). After all, if it was done once it might be done again. No one in the Council would be safe.
Review By [Iceflame] • Date [25 Nov 10] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Lament Aftermath" from DHX
i find this absolutely weak. it's a case of taking a story to a logical extreme because you don't like how a story ended. Personally i feel that even though Poe had given permission you should never of touched it, it sets a bad precedent. I feel if the ending bothered you so much you don't write to correct it. you are perfectly capable of writing a complete story of you own along the same premise with the ending you prefer

Edit: it sets a bad precedent as it's writing fanfiction of fanfiction.

also: "i don't like this Lament Aftermath story, I'm going to write an ending punishing the council for it" someone then decides: "I don't Like this aftermath of Lament Aftermath I'm going to write a payback story"

or: "wow i liked that I'm going to expand on that"

by Poe allowing you to write 'Lament Aftermath' as basically a separate entry, basically opens the original story up to further unsanctioned Derivatives which can lead to further unsanctioned Derivatives and a whole mess where the original gets tarnished by said derivatives (and yes i have seen this happen)

also i consider it weak because what you wrote as enjoyable as some see it was not about consequences but about punishment. it's no better than the dismal stories by Kate and Mmooch, who get butthurt about certain aspects and write a bashfic as some sort of outlet. i could of read about the characters truly realising what they had done, knowing that they are damned, or seeking redemption, or a more subtle vengeance. This was to much about making Xander and Joy Pay
Comments from author:
Most fanfiction is written because someone is not content with some aspect of what the original author wrote. In this case it was the ending of poe's story for me instead of something from canon, so how can it set a bad precedent? Doing a rewrite as you suggest would still entail acknowledging poe and his story as the inspiration or risk being accused of plagerism. However, since poe already did a good job with his story, I saw no need to try and attempt repeating it. Therefore, I left his ending alone (there was no correction made tohis ending) and wrote what I saw as a possible, though extreme, follow on. My concern was about what I viewed as the non-justifiable homicide of an individual going unpunished.
Review By [DHX] • Date [25 Nov 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Lament Aftermath" from Waverly
Well that was brutal. Interesting take on the events of 'Lament'.
Review By [Waverly] • Date [25 Nov 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Lament Aftermath" from CPTSkip
What a totally nasty story. But it was well written and a logical follow-on to Lament. I just don't think I am going to want to reread it, unlike many of your more cheerful stories.
Review By [CPTSkip] • Date [25 Nov 10] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Lament Aftermath" from TroyGuffey
Sounds about what would happen in the Buffyverse. Although telling Xander that Joy didn't repent might not be factually true, it's still a good part of the vengeance on Xander.
Review By [TroyGuffey] • Date [25 Nov 10] • Rating [7 out of 10]
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