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Review of chapter "The Victory of Revelation" from bradsan
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pfft talking about smooth. They don't know they have royalty on their doorstep. The Queen Slayer herself not jus a Slayer. They are lucky that Buffy's goal is to work together otherwise I don't think she would take their bullshit. Being cautious doesn't mean you have to be rude. You can always be rude later when you discover somebody is the enemy.

Well remembering the book she disliked so much shows a way smarter Buffy then the Scoobies could imagined. They always underestimate her when her cleverness was at stake always forgetting Willow, Giles and maybe Dawn are book smart but Buffy is just smart. Otherwise how could she get her SAT score that high without learning much. I agree Willow help sometimes but when you aren't smart enough that doesn't help a lot. Look at Xander, Willow helped him a lot more then she ever did with Buffy and his score was way below Buffy's. Clever she is that girl and act she can. Always loved that they fall for the I'm stupid part, everything to get out of research.

Great job
Review By [bradsan] • Date [24 Jul 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "The Victory of Revelation" from Chan
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Well make contact with potential leadership but even then it may well take forever to get things together enough to smash things in one solid hit smashing things in pieces leaves entirely too many loose ends to chase.
Review By [Chan] • Date [23 Jul 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "The Victory of Revelation" from raxadian
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Every great legend or lie has a bit of truth in it.
Review By [raxadian] • Date [23 Jul 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "The Victory of Revelation" from Harry
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Buffy may come across as a ditz, but she KNOWS her stuff! To recognize what is going on, via literature, shows that she is NO SLOUCH! Now, its time to sit down, and figure out how to clear this mess up and get humanity back on its normal path.
Review By [Harry] • Date [23 Jul 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Conspiracy, Part 1 - Revelation" from Harry
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Creating cells of resistance is not going to be easy. With all the threats of what happens if you create alliances, unless you are part of the ruling caste, and the distrust that has been created, its not going to be easy. That will be Buffy's biggest problem to start off with. Once she has the allies, then finding people who can think for themselves will be the next problem. Buffy is going to have her work cut out for her.
Comments from author:
If there is hope, it lies in the proles. Remember that the Powers That Be granted Buffy immortality, so she has all the time in the world to accomplish her task.
Review By [Harry] • Date [18 Jan 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "First Meeting" from Harry
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Well, that meeting could have gone better. Time for both parties to lay their cards on the table as it were. Its going to take work to do what needs to be done, and only by coming clean on what each party brings to the table can a proper plan of attack be worked out.
Comments from author:
Well, as can be ascertained from reading Orwell's novel, anyone who is looking to hide from the Party and the Thought Police is not going to have an easy time of it, not by any stretch of the imagination. That demon was just trying to play it safe, which means keeping a sharp eye out for the Patrols and paying attention to detail.

It also means being wary of strangers and double checking that they're not agents of the Thought Police...
Review By [Harry] • Date [13 Jan 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Not-So-Sunnydale" from Harry
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Buffy is starting to get a idea of what this version of Sunnydale is like. And it does NOT go over well with her. Its going to take a lot of work to break the hold that Big Brother/Big Sister and the Thought Police have on this city and this world.
Comments from author:
Ummm...Big Sister? None in Orwell's "1984", least as far as I can recall...
Review By [Harry] • Date [13 Jan 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "New Mission, New World" from Harry
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I think that this Orwellian version of Sunnydale is going to be one that is going to drive Buffy crazy! Working with the Supernatural instead of against it? People afraid to talk for fear of being sent away to camps? I shudder to think what Willow and Xander are like in this world.
Comments from author:
Nope, no Scoobies here...

Oh, and joycamps (Newspeak for Forced Labor camps) are for the proletariat and for minor offenses by Outer Party members, though inevitably it leads to a stretch in the Ministry of Love. ...yeeeeesh....
Review By [Harry] • Date [13 Jan 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "The Summons" from Harry
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The PTB are about to meet up with a irate Slayer. Can you say, BITCH SLAP?
Comments from author:
Oh, NOW you get around to reading my 1984 cross? LOL...

Slayer don't know what she's in for...neither does Big Brother.
Review By [Harry] • Date [11 Jan 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "The Summons" from fanreaderonetwo
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LOL, just read about the SAGE GCI system employed in the 1950s; seems as if the project never really got off the ground, as it had been replaced by the new AWACS (well, new to THEM, at any rate...) almost as soon as it became functional. And now here we are, almost seventy years later, and the E3C Hawkeye planes that mount the AWACS radar are still serving our Armed Forces well. Now if it had been Oceania with AWACS instead of those rinkydink helicopters..."

Nope, reread the wiki, SAGE was operational into the 1980s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-Automatic_Ground_Environment

from the wiki

SAGE became operational in the late 1950s and early 1960s at a combined cost of billions of dollars. It was noted that the deployment cost more than the Manhattan Project, which it was, in a way, defending against. Throughout its development there were continual questions about its real ability to deal with large attacks, and several tests by Strategic Air Command bombers suggested the system was "leaky". Nevertheless, SAGE was the backbone of NORADs air defence system into the 1980s, by which time the tube-based FSQ-7's were increasingly costly to maintain and completely outdated. Today the same command and control task is carried out by personal computers, based on the same basic underlying data.

..........

Note that the _real_ AWACs we mostly hear about were/are built on planes much larger (mostly with four engines) than the US Navy aircraft carrier based E2C Hawkeyes, built on Boeing 707 (E3), Boeing 767 and other "full size" chassis.

I'm trying to imagine building an AWACs with vacuum tube tech radar and computers on board, with their bulk, power requirements, heat output and reliability issues. All those grad students with the carts of tubes......
Note that the USAF was a _major_ investor and pusher of transistor and integrated circuit tech in the 1950s-60s, specifically because of those issues. It and the other US armed forces needed smaller, lighter and more reliable electronic hardware, preferably stuff with lower power and cooling requirements. Many or most of the early Silicon Valley outfits had huge amounts of Pentagon R&D and procurement money flowing to them.
Comments from author:
Ok...so the Atomic Wars occurred and ended in the 1950s, the Revolution took place on a global scale immediately thereafter (which does not explain how people could go out and bring down whatever remained of the old infrastructure, let alone establish the new order and the three superstates while the world was still awash in nuclear radiation), and thirty years pass during which time someone with knowledge of the frailties of vacuum tube tech strongly recommends to Party leadership that they consider his designs for the aforementioned transistor and integrated circuit tech. They implement the comrade's designs and then vaporise him and claim his work as the Party's invention. They then start building the massive infrastructure necessary for the maintenance and monitoring of the equally massive microphone and telescreen network. 1984 rolls around and we have Winston Smith, Julia and their own small, yet star-crossed rebellion.

Skip forward to just around 2004 and here comes our Slayer sent by the PTBs to bring down Big Brother. Plausible? You tell me...
Review By [fanreaderonetwo] • Date [10 Jan 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Not-So-Sunnydale" from fanreaderonetwo
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I used the rabbit shitting on a mike as example of a random non-human caused noise that would bring a patrol out to the boonies to investigate. Along with mics, cameras, telescreens, relay units and wiring malfunctioning from low quality production, age, weather and accidents it would be things that would drive maintenance people and investigating patrols crazy from boredom or overwork checking dead or decaying hardware. Of course after a while they (the troops or their superiors) would likely start de-emphasizing or ignoring alarms in remote areas once a pattern of constant false alarms was seen. "A dead Model 14 camera out in the desert, ignore it. That batch of cameras are all at the end of their service lives and keep dying".

And if the "atomic wars" and the subsequent revolutions severely delayed or completed prevented the development and spread of transistors and printed circuits..... Imagine all those TV snoop cameras, telescreens and mics being vacuum tube tech, NTM all the (presumed) mainframe computers used to monitor all those inputs. I recall reading of the grad students pushing carts full of vacuum tubes around the early computers to replace the tubes that were _constantly_ dying.

I'm having visions of huge 1950s tech computer systems (with or without vacuum tubes) built to monitor all the telescreens, cameras and mics. Something like the 1950s USAF SAGE (Semi Automatic Ground Environment) system built to protect N America from Soviet bombers and missiles, only writ large. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi_Automatic_Ground_Environment
Comments from author:
LOL, just read about the SAGE GCI system employed in the 1950s; seems as if the project never really got off the ground, as it had been replaced by the new AWACS (well, new to THEM, at any rate...) almost as soon as it became functional. And now here we are, almost seventy years later, and the E3C Hawkeye planes that mount the AWACS radar are still serving our Armed Forces well. Now if it had been Oceania with AWACS instead of those rinkydink helicopters...
Review By [fanreaderonetwo] • Date [10 Jan 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Not-So-Sunnydale" from fanreaderonetwo
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""Oh, they won't know you're gone, Miss Summers. As far as they're concerned, you made it out of the Hellmouth before it could bring Sunnydale down on top of it. They, and you, are still standing at the city limits, looking at the crater your town has become,"

Did the PTB "clone" her and leave a copy with the Scoobies or are they in stasis or being fooled with Buffy gone forever?

Also, consider the logistics of maintaining and monitoring a snoop network a huge and widespread (microphones out in nowhere) as you suggest. Troops constantly checking mics gone dead from age, weather and accidents, and checking whenever a rabbit shits on one and makes an odd sound.
Comments from author:
Hey, as has been said, the Pillocks That Be work in mysterious ways LOL. Who can say what they're capable of?

As to the rabbits shitting on remote mikes and making odd sounds (funny by the way, good on you, dude!) The Atomic Wars of the 1950s would most likely have decimated most of the animal life forms either from the firestorms, the blast waves or the radioactive fallout. It is supposedly the year 2004 in this story, and not 1984, so there's been time enough for some plant life to grow back, which I would guess is more adaptable to nuclear radiation than animal life; the only reason that humankind would outlast a general nuclear exchange is because of that quality that sets us apart from the other animal species. For that reason, I imagine it is not so probable as one might think for the random coney or feline, or what have you, to suddenly see something that is not part of the natural world and think "Golly Gee, I need to take a crap anyway, and here's a nice human thing that's just right for it..dumbasses...."

Poop. Mischief managed, says the varmint...

But I digress. The Party tech heads would have accounted for all these things; the one thing they didn't count on was the Slayer showing up to manage her own brand of mischief...
Review By [fanreaderonetwo] • Date [9 Jan 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Not-So-Sunnydale" from ShalaDakiri
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I remember reading 1984 for class and I think you've really highlighted the creepiness factor in Buffy's reactions.
Comments from author:
Oh....ho ho ho......you haven't seen the half of her reaction yet. Next chap, ok?
Review By [ShalaDakiri] • Date [9 Jan 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "The Summons" from RebeccaAshling
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I had though of doing a Buffy/1984 crossover but it was just a more miserable version of "Normal Again" with Buffy an emaciated, tortured husk in the cellars of the Ministry of Love who seeks escape in this absurdly saccharine fantasy where good defeats evil, where friendships are true, there's enough to eat, comfortable, pretty clothes to wear and it's *warm*. Can Rupert Giles of the Thought Police cure Buffy Summers of her insanity and lead her to true love in the form of Big Brother? Depressing.

I'm very intrigued by your premise and will be very interested in seeing Buffy get to grips with this world. Are there any Oceanian versions of the Scoobies here? Is Richard Wilkins still a power or did he get purged? Did Willow and Tara betray each other in Room 101? (No, not the frogs! Do it to Tara, not me!). I greatly look forward to seeing more of this story.

Cheers,
Rebecca
Comments from author:
Oh....it has been SO long since I've been able to do any work on that one...just one big pileup after another, with writing my other stories, reading other authors' contributions, and of course the real world telling me it still exists in ways I'd rather not remember...but let's answer your question.

No, this would have been Buffy all alone in Oceania with naught but the demon underworld to back her up. Just them against the Thought Police and the Ministry of Love. No Scoobies, no Wilkins, no anyone.

Your idea of a cross with 1984 does sound very interesting; I should hope to see your first chapter up very soon once you get your story up and running. Maybe it will inspire me to continue this one...who knows?
Review By [RebeccaAshling] • Date [14 Dec 13] • Rating [7 out of 10]
Review of chapter "New Mission, New World" from Chan
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Sheep meet wolf those poor soul will have no idea just what going to hit them.
Comments from author:
Thanks for that review, been a while since I got any feedback for this fic. Rest assured, this story is not dead, though it hasbeen on hiatus for nearly a year...been working mainly with "grd" on his fic "Fall of the Republic", a Star Wars crossover with Xander in the role of the Sith Lord Darth Mortalis. Also crosses with Stargate SG-1...give it a peek
Review By [Chan] • Date [11 Nov 12] • Not Rated
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