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Review of chapter "Chapter One" from twlight
Review:
What a wonderful form of payback for Xander, I do have to say that it was a very very good thing that Xander never did that on the show because he could have caused a whole lot of problems for his friends if he got mad enough for being put on the fringes of slaying. I love that the Mayor was also one of those that got sent to jail.
Comments from author:
The good Mayor never seemed to make mistakes in canon (mostly because of the writing, as opposed to being that smart), so I had him acting more like a typical politician here, and he got his just desserts. ;-)
Review By [twlight] • Date [29 May 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from (Current Donor)NekoHibiki
Review:
So, Xander is now destined to go back in time 1,000 years and become Valen?
Comments from author:
Well, given how the Fates have been treating him, that's not something that Xander would rule out never happening. ;-(
Review By [(Current Donor)NekoHibiki] • Date [20 Aug 13] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from Typhonis
Review:
So this is before Wesley shows up and the whole Sisterhoodm of Jhe and the bomb in the basement mess correct? Because I would think Mayor Wilkins would be a bit more thankful to Xander for helping keep his Ascension on track and not letting the Hellmouth open early.

Buffy will probobly be dead within a year due to an 'accident'. Council can not afford to have her locked away like that. Giles....iffy may be liquidated may not since this whole mess happened on his watch.

Council will ignore Xander. He is neutralised or will be shoertly if he starts hunting again. Willow...no clue she is going to be in jail for a while. Oz...... well looks like the Initiative has their first test subject. Only problem is ADAM and the havok it will create in the coming year thanks to the Army's Charlie Foxtrot
Comments from author:
Yeah, this whole scenario is a Charlie-Foxtrot of the highest order, where everything went the worst possible way as far as the Scoobies' interpersonal actions went, following Wilkins' interference. ;-(

And Wilkins is also definitely going to be wishing he hadn't interfered, once the anniversary of the town's founding is concerned, and his various arcane bills come due. I certainly wouldn't want to be around him when that happens. ;-(

As far as what might have happened to the rest of the Scoobies, my muse has been mulling over various idea, so I may or may not be following this up to show what these consequences were.
Review By [Typhonis] • Date [24 Jul 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from kdakmmt
Review:
That was really harsh but I can see it happening. Xander has a vindictive streak that this plays well into. I personally wouldn't take the fall for the group that cast me aside like they did to him.
Comments from author:
Yeah, this wasn't a happy-happy, joy-joy type story, at all, things went down hill, and the Gang's various personalities all clashed in the worst possible way.

The Mayor trying to frame Xander as a disruption to the group proved disastrous for everyone involved.
Review By [kdakmmt] • Date [1 Jul 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from (Current Donor)dogbertcarroll
Review:
Giles flubbed the disposal of evidence landing them in the crapper and the told Xander to go screw. Yeah, that's about how I would have responded too. They cut you loose that means they no longer have any call on your loyalty.
Comments from author:
This result was the culmination of a series of screw-ups by a great many people.

And expecting someone to serve their purposes after being expelled from the group is either arrogance or stupidity.
Review By [(Current Donor)dogbertcarroll] • Date [7 Aug 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from valdimarian
Review:
Awww, I would have put him on a bus to Albuquerque to be met by Marry Shanon and Marshal Marshal Man (yes Marshal is both his title and his first name, just like Gordon Gordon Wyate's first and middle names are Gordon)
Comments from author:
Yeah, that was one possible ending, but I decided to go with what you saw. ;-)
Review By [valdimarian] • Date [6 Aug 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from cglasgow
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To everyone who is saying Xander was 'uncharacteristic' in turning his coat or whatnot -- remember that he was calling Giles from the police station, using his one phone call. And Giles answers his call for help with 'We don't know you go away!'

I don't know about you, but if I committed a federal crime not for my own benefit but to try and help someone else from being smeared, and then when I am arrested for said crime they not only can't be bothered to help me get a lawyer but actually go to the extent of saying 'We never heard of you, don't call us again or you'll get us in trouble!', my next thoughts are going to be 'Well screw you. You want me to take the fall for you /after/ you abandon me when I need your help? Forget this, I'm going to see what kind of deal the DA will give me.'

Xander didn't steal that rocket launcher because he really liked rocket launchers, he stole it to help save Buffy's life. If letting Xander rot in jail is Buffy's idea of a 'thank you' for doing that, then yeah, Xander's got every right to be pissed.
Comments from author:
Everything you point out is true.

And what a lot of people aren't paying attention to is that, after making that phone call from the police station, Xander is now convinced that the Scoobies set him up to take the fall.

Wilkins had his people plant the rocket launcher at the Harris home for the police to find, and since Giles told the others that he disposed of that particular item, and after the treatment he received from his former friends, why should Xander even think that someone else planted it at this home, and not Giles or Buffy or Willow?

Wilkins' plan worked quite well as far as taking out the Scoobies was concerned, but he didn't think that they knew as much about what was going on in town as they actually did, which also led to his eventual downfall.

Of course, for those people who think that Buffy craps gold, there will never be an acceptable excuse for Xander not treating her like a goddess.
Review By [cglasgow] • Date [5 Aug 12] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from JasonBarnett
Review:
Studyofchaos- So actually liking some one is sycophancy in the case of Buffy and Willow's friendship? As for the big ideas, yeah, Buffy didn't think of any of them. But how often did anyone else volunteer them until Buffy told them to start planning. And it sure is nice to have someone who can execute all those plans.

As for Xander and loyalty, beforehand he was willing to die for them basically. Now he's not even willing to take a fall?

edit: look around at my reviews, I rarely admit any of the Scoobies ever commit an error in judgement. I rarely bought any of the emotional drama brought into play in the show, I always thought they were better than that.
Comments from author:
Well, considering that you rarely even admit that Buffy could commit an error in judgment, it's not difficult to consider you an apologist for her.

And as far as Xander and loyalty is concerned, since the Mayor's plan to undermine the Scoobies by enabling the FBI to find the rocket launcher, which Giles was responsible for disposing of, near Xander's house, it is entirely reasonable for him to think that they are callously using him to clean the slate on that. When you think someone has already betrayed you, it's not betrayal to turn around and go after them - it's just common sense.
Review By [JasonBarnett] • Date [4 Aug 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from Cateagle
Review:
Yep, a lack of "loyalty down" can definitely lead to a deficiency of "loyalty up". A most interesting and cautionary tale.
Comments from author:
Thanks. My muse insisted on this being written. Glad you enjoyed it.
Review By [Cateagle] • Date [4 Aug 12] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from JasonBarnett
Review:
no, I'll admit they were weak for the fluke happening though. But the fluke was something that only two people had the right to punish them for. Oz for Willow and Cordelia for Xander. And Willow had no power to make Cordelia forgive Xander.

And as for the group making the plans work, it was Buffy who fought the Master, it was Buffy who fought Angelus, it was Buffy who led the Mayor into the school so the bomb could take him out, it was Buffy who's body was on the line against Adam.

And I don't recall Buffy or the Scoobies claiming that Xander was worthless in the Zeppo. That was Xander's own interpretation, partially based on an angry Cordy still lashing out. They were worried about Xander getting hurt, a concern that was more appropriate with Xander than Willow, Oz or Giles, because when were they ever shown charging into a fight before Buffy or Faith

Edit: or maybe the fact Buffy's also a girl and looking at it from that perspective. Plus Willow frequently acted like she needed/wanted support and attention. Xander rarely did. And Buffy was the one executing the plans so I think she deserved some say. As for her tactical ability in season 4 she was able to elude the Initiative soldiers for quite some time.
Comments from author:
Buffy never said anything to show any sort of support for Xander while she was continually shown to continuing to act friendly towards Xander. That most likely had to do with the fact that Willow constantly supported her efforts to try and 'get her Angel' back, and that Xander not only wouldn't do that, but that he also pointed out that Angelus should be staked at teh earliest opportunity.

Buffy was the most physically powerful member of the team, but even though she wasn't even an adequate tactician or strategist, she still insisted that she should be the one to make decisions, because she wanted to be in charge. Allowing your ego to dictate policy and decisions is amsot certainly a guarantee for making bad ones.
Review By [JasonBarnett] • Date [4 Aug 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from JasonBarnett
Review:
loyalty works both ways. If this is his first instinct he was never truly loyal to them, they bought him with affection.

Edit: Season two was a year plus earlier, with Buffy obviously still traumatized from dying the season before. And it's not like Xander himself learned anything except you can humiliate those who care about you(Bewitched Bothered and Bewildered had him planning to humiliate Cordy after all.) Everyone acts like this was some major moment in their relationship, I bet if you talked to the writers in season 7 they wouldn't even have remembered it.

And I find the idea that Buffy only cared about what people could do for her in season 2, considering the group added Cordelia, Oz and Jenny in that season. It had her hanging out with more normal people than ever.
Comments from author:
Considering that, starting way back at the beginning of Season Two, canon Buffy seemed to have no regard for anyone except in how they could best be of use to her, I think that Xander offered her far more loyalty than she ever deserved.

Since you seem to do nothing but act as an apologist for Buffy's behavior, and you apparently think that her cock-tease dance with Xander at the Bronze was a perfectly acceptable way to behave towards the person who saved her life, I see no reason to debate this with you.
Review By [JasonBarnett] • Date [4 Aug 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from Studyofchaos
Review:
Who said anything about Willow getting Cordelia to forgive Xander? He made that part of the mess and it was his responsibility to clean up after it. What I said was that Willow made sure it looked like Xander was the only one responsible for the actions of the fluke. That was wrong and sure not the actions of a friend of any sort let alone a life long best friend as Willow claimed to be.

Regarding Buffy being the one who fought the Master, what would have happened if the rest of the group stood around, yawned and said "let us know how it turns out". They all had a role and played it. Angelous, Buffy only fought him as a last resort and Spike helped out by taking out Dru and some of the minions. Without Spike's assist, Buffy goes down hard. Adam, it may have been Buffy's body but it was all of their souls.

Buffy is a heavy hitter, if you want a military comparison, she is heavy artillery. Think of D-Day with only heavy artillery but no foot soldiers, lots of damage but still a loss.

Regarding statements of Xander's worth, it is how he is treated by the group rather than what is said. What he does right is either ignored or downplayed and what he does wrong is put centre stage. Yes, he does throw hiself into situations where Angels fear to tread (or in the case of the Master's cave, "Angel" feared to tread) but it is always to save someone else. In most cases it works out and even turns out to have been necessary, even if personally painful.
Comments from author:
Willow flat out failed the friend test, big time.

And you summarized the situation regarding the Scoobies quite well. Not that I think he'll listen.
Review By [Studyofchaos] • Date [4 Aug 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from eriktheviking
Review:
A well written take on the Scooby gang imploding.
Comments from author:
Thanks, I appreciate your reviewing.
Review By [eriktheviking] • Date [4 Aug 12] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from uten
Review:
Very cool story. Definitely a dark, but highly plausible story. I also like how you tie their extra-curricular activities into the arrest. I found it very interesting that in the end, none of them went to jail for the crime of theft and use of a rocket launcher.

I also like that Snyder's behavior obviously had him looked into, which led to Allen Finch and the Mayor.

Xander's behavior made perfect sense, especially when his call for aid was rebuffed in such a nasty way. If they had of responded as the friends they were supposed to be, and been there as friends, instead of acting like rats on a sinking ship, he would have happily taken all the blame. Nicely written.

I think the best part was Xander managing to tell them when to catch them all, but let Faith escape. And considering that this time, Buffy won't throw Faith a human to stake, Faith will most likely stay on the good side, since there is also no Evil Mayor as well.

Awesome tale. Any chance of a follow up?
Comments from author:
Glad you thought the story was done well.

Any follow-up is up to the whims of my muse.
Review By [uten] • Date [3 Aug 12] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from Studyofchaos
Review:
Okay JasonBarnett, sycopancy may be a little strong. Would you be willing to accept that Willow was a weak person willing to sell out a person that had protected her since kindergarden in order to get back in the good graces of Oz and support Buffy in getting rid of Xander in order to get back in her good graces? Essentially the fluke was a 2 person activity, but Willow was sure willing to allow Xander to take the complete fall on his lonesome.

Regarding executing plans, the group was responsible for exeecuting plans. How well did any of them do by themselves? Except for Xander forcing Angel to take him to the Master thus saving Buffy (short series without that action); Xander forcing Angelus to leave Buffy at the graveyard and at the hospital; Xander vs the zombies... not so useless now was he?

By no means was Xander a perfect human being, he could be petty and jealous, sarcastic and down right nasty at times in how he expressed himself. He sure as hell deserved better treatment then what he received from Buffy and company though. As far as taking the fall, he probably would have if the group was willing to stand with him but the brush off? They got what they deserved.
Comments from author:
I've pointed out repeatedly, everyone in the group was dysfunctional to a varying degree, but Willow was most certainly guilty of allowing Xander to take all of the blame for the fluke.

If she wanted to be accepted as a competent, mature and responsible person, she should have stepped forward and admitted she was was just as guilty as he was. Instead, she cowered behind her computer and Giles' books and let me be denigrated for something they both did. In short, she failed any test of morals and ethics you would expect her to take.
Review By [Studyofchaos] • Date [3 Aug 12] • Not Rated
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