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Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from (Current Donor)RngrThorne
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A very interesting take on things.
Review By [(Current Donor)RngrThorne] • Date [25 Jan 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from Hugbert
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A really good crossover.
I absolutely understand why the original Kirk wants the Abrams-crew out off his universe.
Review By [Hugbert] • Date [23 Aug 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from starwolf
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boy did you hit the nail on the head. JJ made a very good action movie but it was shit for star trek. kirk was the youngest Captain in the fleet because he did the work and earned the job. I don't care how good an academy grad is it takes years to build a Captain.
great job, thankds
Review By [starwolf] • Date [1 Jun 13] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from RevDorothyL
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i had to reread this tale again, because the new "Into Darkness" movie actually seemed to be addressing (though the voice of Christopher Pike and some of the crew interctions) some of original Kirk's concerns about his younger alternate self and the power he wielded without going through the tempering process older Kirk had experienced, but WITH all the extra emotional baggage of having grown up without a father and with a far bigger chip on his so-attractive shoulders.

Excellent work on this, I must say once again.
Review By [RevDorothyL] • Date [23 May 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from PhoenixFTW
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Very good story. Nice look at the New Trek crew from an outside perspective.
Review By [PhoenixFTW] • Date [22 Apr 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from ShyBob
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Solid little piece. Very insightful of Kirk (of course, that's why he IS James T Kirk of Starfleet). Should I worry that the young'uns are going to start a interdenominational interspecies fracas? You bet!
Review By [ShyBob] • Date [28 Jan 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from espinosaca
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Thank you. Too many people seem to discard the original universe crew aside for the new model. There's a reason Kirk was made Captain in his home universe, and it wasn't because he defeated some powerful enemy. He showed that he had the needed experience, ability, and attitude to be captain. One thing that greatly annoyed me about the new movie was the thoughtless decision to let Kirk's promotion to captain stick. Nevermind the fact that he has almost no experience but also the large number of officers above him that have both the experience and years in service. Was the original Kirk brash and willing to break the rules? Yes, did he ever do it in a way that put him directly at odds with Starfleet? Yes. Did he ever do it in order to take control of the ship from its rightful commander? Technically yes, but he had the authority to do it at that time. In the new movie Spock was senior to Kirk. Kirk should have been thrown in the brig for provoking a senior officer, when he himself was a cadet. I dislike the new universe for its willingness to do exactly what you wrote, give an inexperienced officer a ship and a crew that would probably be unwilling to question him should he need to be questioned.
Review By [espinosaca] • Date [28 Oct 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from Gideon
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An interesting viewpoint. I kind of think of it as the Borg massacre at Wolf 359 a generation earlier. Such a huge loss in ships and personal has to have some effect on the thinking of the higher command. The intel Old Spock brought back would be invaluable too, he would have known the major challenges of the next 200 years for Starfleet. As you move through TOS and TNG to DS9 they become increasingly military challenges in many ways. Would you want a bolder, younger crew in that situation?
Review By [Gideon] • Date [28 Oct 12] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from Genuka
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*snicker* Ah, the rashness of youth versus the voice of experience and maturity.
Review By [Genuka] • Date [25 Oct 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from TAO
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This was a fun little read and I do like your take on TOSKirk on his counterpart. However, TOSKirk actually had a family (his father didn't die and therefore, ToSKirk had a stable anchor in his life)...whereas Reboot!Kirk...did not and well, let's be honest, grew up being an asshole...but still liked the Reboot overall. But...ToSKirk has a valid point.

I'd be more interested in the Spocks having a conversation...because, technically speaking...ToS Spock does become old Spock who creates the Red Matter that ends up causing this mess that does create this alternate reboot reality and old Spock has met reboot Spock...and...okay...my head hurts from just thinking about it...

And before the old-schoolers get mad at me, hear me out. I have no problem against Star Trek ToS...but I have a great hatred for TNG (and anything with Rick Berman and Brannon Braga's names attached to it). Sadly...ToS is linked to TNG (and the Bermaga curse)...so I have to flinch a little when the "originals" are brought up.

Then again...I've always been more of a Babylon 5 fan....
Review By [TAO] • Date [24 Oct 12] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from Sandi
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Nice reality check. Please show the other side too. The younger crew's reaction to the old one.
Review By [Sandi] • Date [24 Oct 12] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from purrfus
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Thought provoking.

We have enough of the original to have some idea of what o'Kirk went through to get him into the chair. We have had only glimpses of what r'Kirk went through. Somehow I can't see o'Kirk taking a car over a cliff but who knows. I look forward to finding out more when the next movie comes out.

In the meantime, there is this. I would dearly love to see the reboot crew/s impressions of the original. Please.
Review By [purrfus] • Date [24 Oct 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from (Current Donor)Sulien
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THANK YOU!!! I didn't read this on LJ specifically because I so utterly loathe the reboot, but I am incredibly glad that I decided to read it here on TTH after getting the emailed notification of a new story. You've put your finger on one of the biggest reasons why I so dislike the reboot (well, besides the fact that it completely ignored Gene Roddenberry's entire ethos). I love the original series crew like they were family and you've done an incredible job of capturing the original Kirk's thought processes and motives! And I agree with him wholeheartedly.

Thank you for this!
Review By [(Current Donor)Sulien] • Date [24 Oct 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from TaraLi
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It is an interesting take. I'm not so sure neo-Bones and neo-Spock will be as supportive of neo-Kirk's impulses as TOS-Kirk thinks, but we'll see. As well, we don't know any more than the top command structure - it may well be that the Admiralty loaded the second level with more experienced people who don't have what it takes to go to the command level, but who can help temper neo-Kirk out some. And then again, the attack on Vulcan was extremely damaging, the attack on Earth likewise (we didn't see the fields of damaged ships held in reserve at Earth, who tried to stop the Narada, but they pretty much had to be there...) - it may well be that the Admiralty had absolutely no choice.

However, the reviewer who commented on how the two Kirks are reflections of the times they were written in is certainly valid, and an important point of its own. And I'm not so certain TOS-Kirk didn't have his severely rash moments - I can certainly see Neo-Kirk pulling the Corbomite Maneuver!
Review By [TaraLi] • Date [24 Oct 12] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "What Makes The Men We Are" from HarmMarie
Review:
Interesting perspective. Never quite thought about it this way.
Review By [HarmMarie] • Date [24 Oct 12] • Not Rated
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