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Ship of the Line: The Death Star

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Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from Morgomir
Review:
Great chapter. Keep up the good work.
Review By [Morgomir] • Date [12 Jul 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "An Impossible Rescue" from (Recent Donor)Hawklan
Review:
quite the nice fic, only flaw so far is Buffy....how made being a 18th century noble
girl her able to do all the technical stuff she did?
Comments from author:
After her Slayer abilities re-asserted themselves, as at least two commenters postulated, the Slayer Essence basically enabled her to absorb the knowledge akin to osmosis, as the Death Star is primarily a weapon, albeit a weapon of mass destruction. We learn by doing; a Slayer learns, theoretically, merely by attempting.

I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction.
Review By [(Recent Donor)Hawklan] • Date [4 Jul 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from deterlanglytone
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So these TIE Drones are they meant to be any thing like a prototype version of the TIE/D automated fighter from the expanded verse which do have shields but at time of the original station such a fighter would barely be in development so having no shields is very reasonable. It makes sense for such a advanced Battle-station(or Death machine) to at least have schematics for such a thing and that fits at least the spirit of the Ship of the Line Challenge.

How is the Vigilant Watcher automated, is it lots of droids or is all just run automatically(can't remember if you mentioned).

Lots of people are asking about cloning to fill most of crew, but that's kinda a silly notion when by the time A New Hope is set in the Battle droids(and a array of other droids) from the Clone Wars era would by much easier the make with the resources of earth and a Death Star class(is that a thing?) battle station, more reasonable than Spaarti cloning cylinders being an a Death Star which would need a year to make stable full grown person per cylinder.

Mind you these droids would need a certain amount of human( or sentient I'm not xenophobic) supervision, say at a rate of one human to three or four droids encase of a accident or someone taking them over( Even though Battle droids and the like (except the ones in the Phantom Menace where they are tried the mainframe of their mother-ship but after that they are all independent) I think are closed out from any outside data source and can't be hacked(So no Replicater taking them all over) which why they all have to speak into radios and why the radios actually emits sound instead of being received internally(and quietly).

A flaw in this is the cheapest(and easiest to make) combat droids the B1 battle droid has all the tactic ability of a jaffa(as in colonial ones with no cover tactics) but say the the Bx series ones would have the skills equivalent between a mook Jaffa and a standard SGC officer(better than Daniel's combat skills mind you, but they're not smart as him) would by pretty costly even with the advances gained from the Vigilant Watcher, all this could be offset by supplementing the droids with human commanders who would be in charge everything from small unit tactics full scale war tactics. You could always being in the Dark troopers(phase I to III) when the Kull appear.Super soldier vs Super Solider.

About the Watchers Council they get a much worse reputation in fanon than their canon action deserves(they are assholeish though), their biggest falling is that they have a so big of a picture that they have little if no appreciation of the small one. The reason Giles was fired by them was said to be that he had a father's love for Buffy, now that might sound nice and all but from a military standpoint they should not be working on the field with each other because he mightn't let her take risks that a normal superior would. Again their failings are in that they don't really see slayers as people but fully trained soldiers. Which most were before Buffy. And really if Buffy trained with any actually effort(being fair she didn't think she could lose her powers) she would creamed the vampire in the cruciamentum, hell Xander might have been able to win against him.(Properly wouldn't live long from injuries though but he'd win because that vampire liked to play with his food). So I doubt with the reveal of the Goa'uld that the Watcher Council will assassinate any one of the Scoobies they'd most likely help them(like with Glory, even though Buffy had left them they overcame any of that and helped, a little, the Head of the council personally came to give her info). Remember the council does have actual military personal(with guns) as seen in the Angel series and Buffy season 3 briefly so they could send some of them to help in the crew department.

I like you interpretation of Kinsley(well I use the term "like" loosely mind you) mainly because the show give the vibe that even though he believed the Goa'uld were real he shut down the program, in this he doesn't seem the believe they're reall until they show up making seem much less stupid(still stupid because who doesn't believe credited Officers and where does he think the casualties come from). And it's nice to see he's still just as unEuropean(and unAsian, unAfrica etc) as ever because pulling a Command and Conquer on the Earth is the American way(sarcasm power)

What kind of weaponry would the Prometheus(if there's any) have in this if there is none what kind you reasonable would give it from Star Wars( with its canon size but not necessary design in mind)

Will there be any modification to the Ha'taks or will they be broken down for materials and parts.

With Ion Cannons how are you going to reconcile the differences between Stargate ones(Tollan Ion Cannons) and the Star Wars ones, is it just that the Tollan's ones are so configured to Goa'uld Shields that they just overload the whole ship (And why modding the shields seemed to make them immune to the Tollan ones and resistant to Asgard ion guns) or is it just the matter of power.

Final thing I don't think Deathgliders have shields, the first vessel of around that size to have shields is the Puddle Jumper. Mind you I could be wrong it has being a while since I have watched the show.
Comments from author:
Eventually the issue with the Imperial concept vessels and warships will have to be addressed; I'm thinking that could happen sooner rather than later by an exchange of information in the initial meeting that I need to write (RL's really been kicking me in my fourth point of contact for a while), as well as what to do with the captured Jaffa and the two dead Ha'Taks (Hey! I know what...I'll sell them back to the Goa'uld with a hefty interest rate rofl...or maybe not...ruthless bastards); writing this review, I'm thinking to give one to the SGC for study and analysis, and either keep or destroy the other. The Imperial ships could be introduced a few at a time in various proof of concept models, along with giving the Earth the ability to mass produce these vehicles and technologies. I'm guessing the Prometheus could be the first US Star Destroyer to come off the line, followed by the Daedalus and the Oddysey, and then the Russian Star Destroyers Korolev and Gagarin, followed in turn by the French Star Destroyers Charles de Gaulle and Jacques Chirac, and the Japanese Star Destroyers Yamato and Toranaga and the Chinese Star Destroyers Sun Tzu and Mao Zedong and Deng Xiao-Ping. (Talk about one hell of a battle fleet; Kinsey would be shitting a brick! ROFL)
About the difference between Imperial ion cannons and Tollan ion weapons, you might have a point there. I might just use that; thank you.
Review By [deterlanglytone] • Date [25 May 14] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from (Current Donor)KColl
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Huh, given both canon O'Neill and the way he was talking there,
Kinsey might not be the worse problem that Grand Moff Xander
are facing right now.

Note: Before you ask, I was singularly unimpressed the way
SGC claimed to represent the entire world while only recruiting
from one nation for much of the series.

Note 2: Actually my comment was based more on how the
US through the SGC very arrogantly took responsibility for
the Stargate Program and took all its riches\development
while putting the rest of the unknowing world at risk.

If the Goa'uld had come to Earth because of the US' actions
against them, do you think it would have just enslaved the
US and left the rest of us alone? And yet the SGC felt fit to
negotiate treaties with alien powers, exchange tech, and indulge
in wars without consulting the rest of the world, or even
using its experts - scientists, engineers that had to be
better than for example Folger.
Comments from author:
Hmm, interesting statement. Kinsey may have Machiavellian designs on the Presidency and eventually global and later galactic rulership, but he is still just a politician. He is a Senator, not Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, so he doesn't have that kind of pull. Plus, if you recall from an earlier chapter, he doesn't exactly have the President's ear, either. So yeah, he's not quite the biggest threat to either the Stargate Program nor the Vigilant Watcher and its fledgling crew.

The bigger threats will come later, through BTVS and SG-1 canon, as well as other sources that will perforce be created as a result of this whole AU.

Now if you were thinking that Xander himself might become something of a dangerous influence by his Tarkin memories resurfacing possibly, let's consider Xander's personality for a moment. The hyena possession left something in him that allowed him to consider the female Scoobies as his pack. He's very protective of them, almost to a fault, and he will do anything to keep his girls, his pack safe. If he believes he's the potential threat, then he'll take steps to ensure he can be neutralized before it's too late, or at least mitigate the impact of said threat. Otherwise, he's too strong in both mind and spirit to allow Tarkin to subsume him completely.

No, the greatest immediate threat to the sovereignty of the Vigilant Watcher, as an individual political entity in the near future, is the vast global intelligence network. Surveillance and espionage are their bread and butter.
Review By [(Current Donor)KColl] • Date [22 May 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from Delkatar
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Very good chapter! I hope Kinsey is in for a rude awakening in the next chapter! :D
Review By [Delkatar] • Date [19 May 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Prologue - Doomsday" from fanreaderonetwo
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"Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from CobaltGryphon
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Can we please introduce Senator Kinsey to a Interrogation Droid? Or just space him?
Excellent chapter and fantastic story, looking forward to more. :-)

As I mentioned in my own comment below, CG, Kinsey is breaking International Treaty (the Outer Space Treaty) and can be charged with "High Crimes and Misdemenours" - what the author is calling "Censure"."

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With a titanic planet killing battle station (and all of its _armed_ auxiliaries, shuttles and fighters) and _two_ large (hostile) heavily armed alien mother ships (and their shuttles and fighters) in the Sol System I think you can assume that the Outer Space Treaty is now a meaningless historical curiosity.
I'll note that each of the two motherships carried "weapons of mass destruction" scale armaments. That is _three_ separate colossal violations of the primary focus of the Treaty. Then there all the other armed alien ships (many hostile to Humans) that can be expected to visit Sol in the future.

I'm thinking of that Treaty the Pope signed back in the 1500s that split the world between Portugal and Spain as an earlier example.
Comments from author:
Ok...who the cheese sticks has been looking at my chapter notes? :-P
Review By [fanreaderonetwo] • Date [18 May 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from WereGargoyle
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Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from CobaltGryphon
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Can we please introduce Senator Kinsey to a Interrogation Droid? Or just space him?
Excellent chapter and fantastic story, looking forward to more. :-)

As I mentioned in my own comment below, CG, Kinsey is breaking International Treaty (the Outer Space Treaty) and can be charged with "High Crimes and Misdemenours" - what the author is calling "Censure".
Comments from author:
I smell a rat...hmmm, someone's been looking at my chapter notes, methinks...;-)
Review By [WereGargoyle] • Date [18 May 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from DofEire
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Holy crap, Kinsey the "Super-Patriot" indeed....megalomaniacal pain in the butt, more like. Great chapter!
Review By [DofEire] • Date [18 May 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from clei
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Comments from author:
Still, a dead Senator equals a thoroughly pissed-off American government and a potential war you didn't ask for.

Alive, the Senate can deal with him in the traditional fashion, according to the Constitution. Then he'd be lucky to ascend so high as Mayor of a certain small town on the California coast, LOL....
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You're sure about that? A lot of people in the goverment didn't like this particular Senator and would most likely
cheer or look the other way especally if his death was caused by his own actions. You as much implied Hammond would be among these people, and I suspect he has a lot of supporters.
Comments from author:
Ummm...still, he had enough supporters that are least an investigation would have been started into his death, and as no-one is above the law, there would have to be at least the appearance of a trial.
Review By [clei] • Date [18 May 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from clei
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Comments from author:
You don't space a United States Senator, you have him censured before the full Congress, then you vote him out of office. That pretty much makes certain he can never pursue his political ambitions again. Without that kind of clout, he's nothing.
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Floating around in Earth orbit,he wouldn't be much of anything either,except a corpsesickle
Comments from author:
Still, a dead Senator equals a thoroughly pissed-off American government and a potential war you didn't ask for.

Alive, the Senate can deal with him in the traditional fashion, according to the Constitution. Then he'd be lucky to ascend so high as Mayor of a certain small town on the California coast, LOL....
Review By [clei] • Date [17 May 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from Omegaprime
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Aaahhhh Kinsey, how long will it be before the President calls ya and tells you to shut up and not anger a group of people with a big weapon?

And what will the other countries think of you when they find out what is going on and you tried to do?

So Kinsey, sit down, shut up and be a good little boy or people are going to get you and I don't mean the people on the V. Watcher.

Keep up the interesting work.
Comments from author:
Yeah, he needs to take a reality check before he thinks too far ahead and steps on his, ummmm....yeah.

And then the Senate will censure him and he will find his political career in the toilet. Mmm-mm-MM-MM-mm.
Review By [Omegaprime] • Date [17 May 14] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from Chargone
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Kinsey: the reason they invented airlocks.
Comments from author:
Nah, mate, it should read thus:

Kinsey: the reason they invented the bitch slap
Review By [Chargone] • Date [17 May 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from CobaltGryphon
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Can we please introduce Senator Kinsey to a Interrogation Droid? Or just space him?
Excellent chapter and fantastic story, looking forward to more. :-)
Comments from author:
You don't space a United States Senator, you have him censured before the full Congress, then you vote him out of office. That pretty much makes certain he can never pursue his political ambitions again. Without that kind of clout, he's nothing.
Review By [CobaltGryphon] • Date [17 May 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from Bobboky
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very good work... the Pres is going to be pissed it seems.
Comments from author:
He was pissed at him from the beginning...remember, he hung up on the Senator.
Review By [Bobboky] • Date [17 May 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from HMaxMarius
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One question that has popped into my mind...

How long before the Vigilant Watcher's T.I.E. fighters and Lambda shuttles get retagged as 'Bugs' and 'Buses'?


Edit: But... they'd be 'VW Bugs' and 'VW Buses' =D
Comments from author:
Ah, but you'd be wrong; the basic SFS TIE model (Sienar Fleet Systems) was euphemistically known throughout Star Wars canon as an "eyeball"; I couldn't tell you what they called the Kuat Drive Yards 'Lambda' shuttle. As a matter of history, though, it never takes long before troops and crew find nicknames for their weapons, ships and equipment. I suspect the Ruling Triumvirate of Nerdhood have names for the Imperial stuff already.

Edit/Reply: And bad guys would still be yummy and crunchy like onions and ketchup to demon mouths, which I suspect may be a likely fate for a certain esteemed Senator, should he somehow end up in the 'Dale on a dark night, but we're not at that point yet, just like the Death Star crew haven't yet started nicknaming their equipment.
Review By [HMaxMarius] • Date [16 May 14] • Not Rated
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