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Ship of the Line: Pioneer's Dawn

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Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from Difdi
Review:
> “Sir, report from deep space radar,”

Radar is the use of radio waves to detect solid objects at a distance. Radio waves are limited to the speed of light. Either the SGC is using some borrowed alien supertech scanner and just calling it radar, or that line is completely impossible.

Jupiter is approximately 33 light minutes from Earth. Unless the Ha'taks took 33 minutes to make their mini jump, there is no way a radar system could report them leaving Jupiter just before they arrived in Earth orbit.
Review By [Difdi] • Date [23 Aug 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from Delkatar
Review:
Good chapter!
Review By [Delkatar] • Date [20 Aug 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from fanreaderonetwo
Review:
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Since I assume that the ships were only 10,000-50,000 miles (16,000-80,000 km) apart that energy beam must have been _much_ slower than light speed. Assuming 50,000 miles, 50,000miles/(4 x 186,000mps =744,000)=0.06 C or ~12,600mps.
Against wary ships familiar with the weapon and taking evasive action that is _slow_.

If they were only a few _hundred_ miles apart it worse. 500miles /744,000=125mps..... Call it the Snail Beam.

Image of an enemy waiting for 3 minutes 50 seconds and then jumping out of range, waiting until it fires then jumping back into range.
Or the target's well trained command crew just making a radical course change and going to maximum acceleration _after_ its fired.

A beam that takes four seconds to impact is good for Saturday Morning drama as the deadly beam moves across the TV screen, but its a good way to _die_ in combat.

Comments from author:

Your assuming the Goa'uld would be able to react in time as the Jaffa first has to spot whats going on, report it to their god, get the order to evade and then execute said order. That would take a great deal of time, far too long really to evade a reflex cannon beam - though the cannons they build later on will be somewhat different to the SDF-3's cannons in that they'll be built with SG technologies."

*****

Noting that I specified "wary ships familiar with the weapon" and "the target's well trained command crew". In this case neither applies to the Goa'uld ship, and while O'Neill recognized the ship and weapon, it took him time to react, _and_ his ship didn't have a "well trained command crew". Yet his ship _still_ nearly escaped from the beam.

Mostly all because of that dramatic four second delay in hitting the target.

And I doubt that any classic Goa'uld ship would have what we would consider a well "trained command crew", ie with bridge officers and subordinates (helmsman, sensor operators and others) trained and authorized to take _immediate_ appropriate action without direct orders from 'their God' or his flunkies. For example, think about a well trained Trek Federation bridge crew...

Consider physically identical Goa'uld ships in that situation if they were wary (not caught by surprise) and had well trained US Navy or Star Fleet style bridge crews familiar with the weapon.

They see the beam charging and have a fair to excellent idea (from experience and sensor readings) when it will be ready to fire. The captains or ODs (Officer of the Deck) tells the crew to dodge as soon as it fires, and possibly increases the range to allow more time to react. They may also launch more fighters with orders to attack the SD3 when its shield drops for firing.
The SD-3 fires, the sensor operators _immediately_ reports and the helmsman _immediately_ takes radical evasive action. The beam(s) miss and they fire their own weapons and destroy or cripple the SD-3.

Also note that even if the beam was far faster that well trained crew _might_ have been able to dodge it if their sensors detected how soon it would fire and they acted immediately before it fired.
Alternatively, they knew the beam was too fast to dodge so they hyperjumped out of range a few seconds before it fired. The beam _must_ be "unloaded" before it wrecks the SD-3 so its fired into empty space, and the ships jump back into range and the battle continues, rinse and repeat.
Review By [fanreaderonetwo] • Date [19 Aug 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from borgrabbit
Review:
EEEEEEVil!!!

Cliffieee!
Review By [borgrabbit] • Date [19 Aug 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from Bobboky
Review:
Nice work
Review By [Bobboky] • Date [19 Aug 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from AlphaBeta
Review:
Really loved the update! Please don't take to long to get the next chapter out!
Review By [AlphaBeta] • Date [19 Aug 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from djhardim
Review:
A blast like that is bound to have generated a rather large EM Pulse that would have fried electronics and knocked out power in a rather large area.
Comments from author:
It will have knocked out satellites but it might not have been powerful enough to penetrate the atmosphere far enough to damage groundside power stations and electronics. Though that's not to say a good few planes won't be making emergency landings after their systems have been damaged by the EMP.
Review By [djhardim] • Date [19 Aug 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from DrDamage
Review:
Mmmmm gooood fic, maaan :)
Comments from author:
Thank you.
Review By [DrDamage] • Date [19 Aug 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from newuser
Review:
Awesome chapter nice cliffy. :)
Comments from author:
I'm glad you liked it.
Review By [newuser] • Date [19 Aug 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from fanreaderonetwo
Review:
"Hotter than the surface of a blue-giant sun and more energy than the biggest solar flare ever recorded by man or Goa’uld both beams crossed the distance between the Pioneer and the Ha’tak’s in barely four seconds."

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Since I assume that the ships were only 10,000-50,000 miles (16,000-80,000 km) apart that energy beam must have been _much_ slower than light speed. Assuming 50,000 miles, 50,000miles/(4 x 186,000mps =744,000)=0.06 C or ~12,600mps.
Against wary ships familiar with the weapon and taking evasive action that is _slow_.

If they were only a few _hundred_ miles apart it worse. 500miles /744,000=125mps..... Call it the Snail Beam.

Image of an enemy waiting for 3 minutes 50 seconds and then jumping out of range, waiting until it fires then jumping back into range.
Or the target's well trained command crew just making a radical course change and going to maximum acceleration _after_ its fired.

A beam that takes four seconds to impact is good for Saturday Morning drama as the deadly beam moves across the TV screen, but its a good way to _die_ in combat.
Comments from author:
Your assuming the Goa'uld would be able to react in time as the Jaffa first has to spot whats going on, report it to their god, get the order to evade and then execute said order. That would take a great deal of time, far too long really to evade a reflex cannon beam - though the cannons they build later on will be somewhat different to the SDF-3's cannons in that they'll be built with SG technologies.
Review By [fanreaderonetwo] • Date [18 Aug 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from Omegaprime
Review:
I hope some people on Earth saw that flash of light? LOL.

And now Bra'tac... as well as Apophis and some Jaffa knows that the human imagination can be a very dangerous weapon, especially when mixed with magic.

I wonder if Apophis survived the biggest surprise in his life?

You are an evil person for writing this cliffhanger but I hope things don't explode to bad.

Keep up the interesting work.
Comments from author:
Nah Apophis is dead, reduced to a few free floating molecules in the cloud of plasma and dust that was once his ship.

And yes alot of people on Earth saw that blast and the destruction of Apophis ship as its kind of hard to hide an explosion that lights up an entire hemisphere.
Review By [Omegaprime] • Date [18 Aug 14] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from grd
Review:
Your evilness is confirmed. Only somewhat muted by having this chapter. Love the pov change from dirtside. I sm not familiar with the SDF series but love this story. Thank you for being so vile with the torture. More please!
Review By [grd] • Date [18 Aug 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from sajuuk
Review:
hello lol
please have the hatak crash on earth and have a lot of journalist view of it
i hope to see humanity unit for the task to take down the gaould and use robotech and tech of the snake heads
please have a lot of new tech and upgrades for SDF3
i hope to read the next chapter speedly
please write more
by
sajuuk
Review By [sajuuk] • Date [18 Aug 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from Dragan
Review:
Whoa! I hope jack and company make it out alive, I wonder what triggers the end of the spell if Giles is possibly effected and Willow is unable to warn?


Can't wait for the next installment *looks for that Time travel device that is always getting lost.*
Comments from author:
You'll find out in the next chapter.

As for the spell ending I'll leave that mysterious for now. Though one thing to note is the Powers That Be are major miffed by whats going on as all their plans are being somewhat disrupted.
Review By [Dragan] • Date [18 Aug 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter Five" from DCG
Review:
That's one hell of an Oh shi- moment for jack.


Not many things top being on the wrong end of a sdf main cannon.
Comments from author:
Indeed. Well aside from being on the wrong end of a salvo of Ancient drone weapons out to rip you apart.
Review By [DCG] • Date [18 Aug 14] • Rating [8 out of 10]
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