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Review of chapter "~~ Grasping Threads of the Situation ~~" from darkblade
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>but some could be refitted fairly simply.

Eh? I don't know how building can simply rebuild from one brick wall to 2 brick wall... Simply dont know. Adding central heating is more simple, but not by much. And Sunnydale now have no recources for individual heating for houses.
Review By [darkblade] • Date [17 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "~~ Grasping Threads of the Situation ~~" from darkblade
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Ah... Than sweaters will do... May be... Rebuilding houses is still priority - for example Spain is nowhere in the north and have a Golfstream near... still death from freezing in nonheated housing in winter is something that not unheard off. Still... it may not became a problem because any random Thay zulkir or any other decent quality mage with some henchmen can destroy Sunnydale as city and kill half of it's population and i don't see what they can do against him...
Comments from author:
So far the really big magical/political powers don't know about Sunnydale. This won't stay this way, but Sunnydale will have enough time to start something in the way of protection.

They will have to rebuild some houses, but some could be refitted fairly simply. It's all in how you do it.
Review By [darkblade] • Date [17 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "~~ Grasping Threads of the Situation ~~" from darkblade
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Ehmm... When i mean winter clothing i mean *winter* clothing for strong continental climate. Not those sweaters. Sweater in continental climate will not save you from death of freezing, trust me. For reasons like that Siberia and inner parts of Canada are mostly nonpopulated. -35C in winter will freeze you in hour sweater or no sweater and -20C is normal winter temperature. It could be something like european part of Russia but that still gives constant -10-15C with outbreaks up to that damned -35C (when even in Siberia people tend to seat home and siberia-style winter clothing is not enough).

>I used to live in Norway, so I know what you mean about the temp.

Take most northen Norway as example at least... Golfstream is enormous bonus and even without it sea is good battery for cooling summer and heating winter. Southern Norway would be nowhere like Sunnydale now in weather.

PS. Unrelated to weather... "Protection from normal missiles" works against bullets. Another thing why Sunnydale is almoust nonprotected against mages...
Comments from author:
You are right, if it was the same climate as Earth, yes it would get that cold.

I actually have to rethink how far north they are. After looking at a world map again, it seems they are not nearly as far north as I thought they were. Not even close. They are in the headwaters of the Delimbiyr river and the cold they will get is more from the mountains. They are actually fairly close to the ocean by comparison too. Far closer than most places in the Realms where they have moderate winters and summers. I'm not saying it's not going to be cold, it's just not going to be as cold as you think it is.
Review By [darkblade] • Date [17 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "~~ Grasping Threads of the Situation ~~" from Ben
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However, comissioning brass casings, copper jacketing, and Boxer primers is going to be a real job of work, and contracting it to more numerous territories who hate what you represent (see below) is just handing them a knife to cut your throat with.
Review By [Ben] • Date [17 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "~~ Grasping Threads of the Situation ~~" from Ben
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Well, in defense of DireSquirrel, Faerun is roughly three times as large as Europe in surface area, posesses roughly three times the sentient population Europe did after the first two waves of the Black Death, and is home to three very impressive thaumatocracies (Halruaa, Thay, and Aglrond, but I think that Shade Enclave [Still in the Demiplane of Shadow] and Deep Immaskar would be mighty curious as well). The Zhentarim as an organization posesses all the negative qualities of the Teutonic Knights with none of their redeeming factors, and they are only the biggest of their type of organisation. (There's also the Iron Throne, the Knights of the Shield [of Garagauth, not St. Benedict and St. Sebastian] and the Eldreth Veluutha , and closer to home the Kraken Society and the Arcane Brotherhood.) And even in the North, while the Kingdom of Many Arrows is going to be easily overmatched, Castle Trinity (Assuming you use the location just east of the High Forest rather than the one east of Tethyr) and Hellgate Keep are no jokes, and Hartsvale and all those giants ready to rally to the Twilight Spirit or some charismatic king are exactly due east of the Nether Mountains.

And that's just the surface area. Below we have Menzobaranzan, Ched Nasad, the Deepkingdom of Gracklstugh, Ootl, Aurymychos, and several other mean, nasty and ugly places, several of which have ties to or deisgns on the surface. It's a good thing that Sunnydale wasn't ploped on a seacoast. Otherwise they would have to deal the the Pirate Islands (Either archipelago, take your pick), The Evermeet Navy, and attacks alternating years between Luskan and Ruathym.

Not only that, but like Grantville, Sunnydale's tradition of American Democracy means that everybody and his uncle will regard Sunnydale as too subversive to tolerate its existance, even in the backwater North. The only nation with any semblance of democracy is Sembia, which is hated almost as badly abroad as Thay or Zhentil Keep. Not even Cormyr has a parliament, and Azuon IV himself may be a nice guy, but he's no fool to try Henry II's mistake. And the Lords of Waterdeep and Lord Nasher of Neverwinter would regard the concepts of represantative democracy, transperant governance, and true open legislative procedings to be a worse menace than Ruathym and the Pirate Islands' piracy, Luakan's ambitions, and the designs of the Zhentarim combined. But unlike Grantville, it's highly unlikely that Faerunian Classical Philosophy posesses any possible precedent. Borem, Jergal, Tyr, and the Ogdoad and Eniad would see to that. I could easily see an Avatar Crisis in which the Triad of Law and Good and the Triad of Evil and Death team up to try to stomp the place down. The only deities I can see supporting Sunnydale are Lathander and (maybe) Gond and Finder Wyvernspur (assuming the Azure Bonds/Lost Vale incident happens as it did in Canon, not a guarantee in this ATL).
Comments from author:
Ben, you are absolutely right about the political situation. Sunnydale is going to be seen as a threat and as a potential pawn by almost every power in the Realms. It is going to take much effort on their part to separate themselves from these other powers.

Unfortunately they will need help. It's just a question of convincing others that they need
Sunnydale as much as Sunnydale needs them.
Review By [Ben] • Date [17 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "~~ Grasping Threads of the Situation ~~" from Ben
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And "Monk" doesn't really describe Ranma's personal outlook. A better class combination to describe him would be a combination of Battledancer and Psychic Warrior or possibly the Incandescent Champion prestige class of _Magic_of_Incarnum_.
Review By [Ben] • Date [17 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "~~ Grasping Threads of the Situation ~~" from SFBKludge
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Cute slipping in Forgotten Realms.

Offhand I'd say that magic based abilities will be getting a boost, simply because magic is much more prevalent in FR. (Accoprding to some of the old plane traveling books.)

Wonder how Ranmas Ki will be effected, He's easily the highest level Monk in the Realms.
Comments from author:
Well, first off, "Monk" doesn't fit Ranma at all. A monk couldn't do half of what he can do, and monks can do things he never could. Trying to put his group into DnD terms is very problematic. As for magic, the only real magic part of him is his curse...which if it was more powerful could make him very mad...hmm...

Many magical abilities are already getting a boost. The Slayer is more powerful already and other will follow soon.

Thanks for the words!
Review By [SFBKludge] • Date [17 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "~~ Grasping Threads of the Situation ~~" from (Current Donor)Speakertocustomers
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This is extremely good so far. I do have some concerns about how it may go in the future, however.

I am dreading the arrival of the Anime characters. Ms. Tendo's speech about her home town jarred horribly; it seemed far too silly for the tone of the rest of the fic. I hope that you manage to integrate that element successfully (or, better still, change your mind and leave the Anime people out altogether).

I am puzzled by your characters referring to the orcs as 'australopithecines'. None of the various species of Australopithecus was more than 4.5 feet tall. They seem far more analogous to goblins than orcs. Homo erectus or H. heidelbergensis seem much more suitable. Maybe even H. neanderthalis if you wanted to be really unkind to Neanderthals. I know that the name was given to them by characters, rather than by your authorial voice, but you actually say that 'anthropologists with experience in Australopithecine bone structures' are there. Surely they'd notice the massive size difference!

Contrary to what some other reviewers have said, I think you're making things far too easy for the Sunnydale people. There are far too many ships with too much in the way of useful cargoes in the harbour. From what we saw on the show I wouldn't have expected more than 2 or 3 ratty little tramp steamers. It is almost as if Sunnydale was stocking up ready for the transportation!

I have trouble suspending disbelief enough to accept the presence of the Apaches. However if they are there then they should be treated properly. They had a ridiculously hard time against a green dragon. The breath weapon isn't suitable for fighting a fast airborne opponent, in a fully enclosed cockpit, and the guns on the Apache outrange it by an immense distance. Honestly, there is no way that the shells from the 30mm chain gun would have bounced off. They could have killed the dragon in four seconds flat at a distance of a mile. Not even mentioning the Hellfire missiles! It would have worked much better if you had made the choppers civilian helicopters, or Kiowa scout helicopters, fitted with improvised weapon mountings and guns of only 7.62 mm calibre - even the .50 calibre HMGs on a Kiowa Warrior would have been overkill, and it carries missiles too.

I fear that, rather than the Sunnydale contingent having to adapt to Faerûn, they will dominate and force the Realms to adapt to them. It will be like the execrable '1632' books. With thousands of heavily-armed modern-day American soldiers around what role will there be for the Slayer and for poor Drizzt? I want to see more of the Faerûnian characters and the Scoobies, less hi-tech military stuff (although, if you do feature the military, please don't nerf their weaponry for plot purposes), and, hopefully, no super-powered Japanese characters at all. If twenty thousand of the townspeople were to die of starvation and hypothermia during the winter (preferably including Maggie Walsh), and the military were to deplete their ammunition down almost to nothing fighting off a major orc invasion, it would balance things out very well.

This has come out more as a list of criticisms than as a review. It wasn't my original intention, and I wouldn't have done it like this if I hadn't seen other reviews in similar style. I stress that I do like this story a lot, and so far you are doing an admirable job of avoiding the pitfalls. If I don't like a story I stop reading and don't leave any review at all.

PS: in your reply to Ben's advice that you should either remove the sections featuring Drizzt or else remove the references to the Time of Troubles you say 'I'm not sure that I have any references to the Troubles. If I do, please point them out for me.' In Chapter 4 the passage in which Dove is thinking about the explosion includes this line; 'Abandoned, untended, some mythals had become unstable; many had become worse during the Time of Troubles when magic was erased from the land.'
Comments from author:
Of course the scientists would notice the size difference. They did mention some differences the orcs from the archaeological record, this just happens to be one of them. I didn't want to use any of the other humanoid ancestors because the orcs would have looked too human. And they aren't, orcs are orcs.

In the show we never saw the full dock, only a small part in darkness. I still think that the mayor would have encouraged cruise ships to land because that means more meals for the vamps and demons. And since they were only visitors, there are less questions. It's even easier for the cops to cover it up.

I still stand by my opinion that an Apache would have a hard time with a mature adult green dragon. Yes they normally have the advantage of range, but dragon hide is one of the strongest natural hides in existence. There is also the question of how far away could they be without hitting buildings or ships. Sure, they can have range on open terrain, but not in the middle of a town where they are already having trouble with housing. Dragons are also spellcasters, it is perfectly reasonable for it to have protected itself from airborne attacks, lessening their damage against its hide.

My reason for not including Hellfire missiles: Sunnydale Military base is supposed to be scaled down, not fully outfitted. It doesn't make sense to fully outfit a base in southern California, even one on a hellmouth. Many bases do, however have vehicles for practice. I actually thought of including the Kiowa instead, but I used the Apache because people would know it better.

I totally missed chapter 4 reference. My edits glanced right over it. Thanks for spotting it!

They are going to run out of bullets soon. There are too many orcs and fiends in the Nether mountains for them not to keep fighting. But guns are part of the standard weaponry in parts of Faerun (not machine guns or assault rifles of course, but they are not unknown by any standards), so commissioning bullets for them is not going to be hard, nor will it impact the tech level that severely. The North is by comparison rather behind in technology when you compare it to places like Lantan and some places where gnome artificers are making fancy contraptions.

It is also Buffy cannon that guns, no matter how powerful, cannot kill most kinds of demons, vamps included. And when you're living next to Hellgate Keep, this can be a very, very bad thing. A slayer and a Dark elf with enchanted swords is a very, very good thing.

No matter how much they are attacked or even killed, their technology will change the way the north reacts. I have no intention of allowing them dominion over the region, but I do intend for them to keep living.

And wow, there is a LOT of Maggie Walsh hate. but no, she isn't going to die any time soon. Sorry people.

As for Superpowered japanese characters, yes most of the Ranma cast is there, no they will not be upping the ante as far as the power levels are concerned. I agree, Nabiki was not being very serious when talking about Nerima towards the end of the chapter. Nerima is not a very serious place in the Ranmaverse, after all. The seriousness is going to come later. Characters will have grown up and had to deal with greater decisions and hardships. Fans of Ranma 1/2 will note that it is after the manga by about 10 years. (the manga started in the late 80s and Buffy takes place in the late 90s).

Criticisms are cool. They keep me on my toes and you raised some very good points. You made no personal attacks and defended your position well. I welcome more.
Review By [(Current Donor)Speakertocustomers] • Date [17 Sep 08] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "~~ Grasping Threads of the Situation ~~" from Toras
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Another good chapter, I see you starting to bring the Ranma crew in.

I suspect that once the town and the locals find a way to comunicate tha the people of Sunnydale are going to be in for quite a shock when they realize that they have effectively landed in a D&D type world. I am curious about one thing thought, you mentioned in an earlier chapter as well as this one that D&D is known, so that raises the question does the D&D system that Sunnyday familiar with include the Forgotten Realms material or just the generic version?

Keep up the great work.
Comments from author:
I should be something of a shock, in some respects, but there could easily be some simple acceptance of the truth.

And it remains to be seen if anyone will actually believe Andrew.
Review By [Toras] • Date [17 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "~~ Grasping Threads of the Situation ~~" from darkblade
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By the way notes part 1:

1. Walsh wouldn’t do anything “funny”. At first she will have too little time for that, than she will have more research material acquired by legal means than she can study in three lives.
2. Winter clothing. The most probable way to acquire it is to buy. They can simply have no time to make it for 40000 people and in situation I don’t see big difference in cost of materials and ready clothing. But it would be about 1/2 million gp minimum and only if they start to do it quickly. The longer they wait the bigger overall price will be.
3. Given that they positioned like Oslo and they are in the inner parts of the continent and no Golfstream... winter will be harsh. At least like Moscow level if not worse... And that worse is really not funny, I could guarantee that... I wasn’t joking about rebuilding Sunnydale from scratch just to survive winter... any building without central heating would be unusable in winter and highly possible after winter. And they must be built with heat preservation in mind (which requires 2-3 times more materials minimum also... most likely method of building 2 old houses –> 1 new. (They have no time to acquire materials for building that also!) It’s really good that they have that cruise liner from Norway - they will somewhat know what to do.
4. Early-mid spring... In California-style housing... most likely without heating... Make it early summer, or at least later spring. Even in Oslo climate in mid spring there would be many dead from... damn, I don’t know how to translate it – let it be freezing. And it wouldn’t be like Oslo, it would be continental climate.
Comments from author:
Yes, they will need winter clothing. The Norwegians have their winter clothing (I don't think I've ever seen a Norwegian who hasn't brought a thick sweater along with them when they travel, even to places like Portugal or the Cayman islands). It is going to be very bad if they do not get some help and start collecting what they will need. Some people will have winter clothing simply because it's only a few hours ride to skiing in the mountains, no matter where you are in California. If Cordelia could be convinced to share there would be a lot more to go around.

I'm also playing with the fact that the area has not cooled down from living in California. it takes a long time for land and large bodies of water to cool, so they will still be providing ambient heat until the sun warms the rest of the area. If they had just been sent to any old place in early spring, yes, it would have been frigid. I used to live in Norway, so I know what you mean about the temp.

As for the building, there is already a plan in place. It has to do with one character already introduced.

Thanks for the comments.
Review By [darkblade] • Date [17 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "~~ Grasping Threads of the Situation ~~" from Ben
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It looks promising, but it needs polishing on the timeline.

Sojuorn ended in DR1337. That's the earliest this can take place. The Chrystal Shard quintology takes place DR1356-8, after which Drizz't wasn't a fugitive anymore (at least not in the North). _Then_ after that, you have the Time of Troubles.

You are going to have to rewrite the Parts with Drizz't. Or else remove all the references to the Troubles.

Oh, and is anybody who has an inkling about the timeline going to try to pull a William Walker or a Conrad Stargard?
Comments from author:
I'm not sure that I have any references to the Troubles. If I do, please point them out for me.

And there might be a few people with interests in conquest and vast technological superiority, but they won't really come into play for some time. And as of yet, no one except Andrew has put things together.
Review By [Ben] • Date [17 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "~~ Grasping Threads of the Situation ~~" from (Recent Donor)MissingAuthor
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Wow... this is simply mind blowing. You are doing an awesome job with your story.

Can't wait for more!

Wispr
Comments from author:
I'll be updating in the next few days, so keep looking for it
Review By [(Recent Donor)MissingAuthor] • Date [17 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "~~ The Whirlybirds get the Wyrm! ~~" from (Recent Donor)MissingAuthor
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Nice work with the dragon, good graphics on the battle scene.

Wispr
Review By [(Recent Donor)MissingAuthor] • Date [16 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "~~ Not Quite the Fireside Chats ~~" from (Recent Donor)MissingAuthor
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Ah good old Monster Manuals and players handbooks, and of the other accessories a good gamer needs. Going to make quiet a Gold mine, knowledge wise.

Wispr
Review By [(Recent Donor)MissingAuthor] • Date [16 Sep 08] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "~~ Discussions ~~" from (Recent Donor)MissingAuthor
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Another good chapter, like how the decisions that are being made are intelligent. Really having a blast reading this story.

Wispr
Review By [(Recent Donor)MissingAuthor] • Date [16 Sep 08] • Not Rated
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