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Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from Neverwillmini
Review:
Well done; I prefer chapter two personally, but chapter one fits better with his [in]action over the years and how he blew off his parental role.
Comments from author:
Thank you. I'm giving very serious thought to the depiction of Hank. Both variations have their advantages.

My apologies for the lateness of the reply, I answered earlier but the baord seems to have refused to process it.

Thanks for reviewing.
Review By [Neverwillmini] • Date [27 Jun 11] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from (Recent Donor)DaveTurner
Review:
Read these two just now, while I'd prefer chapter two to be true, I can't help thinking that chapter one is more likely.

Well done,

Dave.

Edit; Yeah, why not? When given two choices I usually take the third!
D.
Comments from author:
Thanks for reviewing. Nasty Hank is catching up it seems...Or should I put you down a medium Hank fan?
Review By [(Recent Donor)DaveTurner] • Date [26 Jun 11] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from twilightwanderer
Review:
I would personally prefer the second Hank, but I think that the first is much more in keeping with the caracter you've already developed for him in absentia in canon. Scheduling a date night with his girlfriend/secretary and Boss on the night he was supposed to take Dawn to the ballet isn't just absentminded, it's callusly forgetful. Likewise, having a secretary who is unaware that he even has daughters would rather imply that he holds them in a fairly low position of importance in his life. Altogether, I just feel that, while the second allows for a much more emotional sidestory (especially given the generally poor quality of parents in the main story, Joyce notwithstanding), the first seems to fit much better with what you have already established.
Comments from author:
Nasty bad Hank, check. Medium Hank is still far in the lead. Primarily due to established AU verse. I'll see what I can swing.

Thanks for reading and reviewing.
Review By [twilightwanderer] • Date [25 Jun 11] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from BuffyKaibaHunt
Review:
Great job writing this! Very brilliant and creative as well. :)
Comments from author:
Thank you for the compliment and the review. I hope you continue to enjoy it.
Review By [BuffyKaibaHunt] • Date [21 Jun 11] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from ScorpioP
Review:
I'm late to the party, but I lean toward a middle of the road Hank, and here's why. (I haven't read the earlier stories, so if I conflict with your canon, sorry.)
What we saw from LA showed a very superficial "absentee" father, even if he did live in the same house as Buffy. I think all of Buffy's issues at Hemery was the final straw on the strained marriage, and Hank was uncomfortable around her. We don't know what happened the summer after Season One, but we can imagine that Joyce has told Hank about her frequent "fights" at school and all that, and if she went vampire hunting in LA, he probably genuinely doesn't know how to cope with his trouble-maker daughter. Over time, it becomes easier and easier to make excuses not to be around her, and he fades out of her life.
As for why he didn't respond after Joyce died (I forget whether in canon he ever did contact Buffy directly), we can blame the monks. The spell that made everyone in Sunnydale think Dawn was Buffy's sister went a little wonky, and Hank forgets about Buffy (and by extension Dawn) every time he's not directly reminded of her. Think one of those memory-loss cases in "50 First Dates". Just a thought.
Comments from author:
Thanks for reading and reviewing!

Actually, no one's late until the actual chapters dealing with Hank's first appearance are written. And that is still some way off, due to the interaction of various characters. Which take hellacious amounts of time and space to write...

Medium absent father Hank. Medium Hank is way in the lead.
Review By [ScorpioP] • Date [21 Jun 11] • Rating [8 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from Wolflady
Review:
I agree with iroshi. While I don't think Hank is quite as bad as he is shown in your story he is quite bad enough. I would go with medium-bad to bad.
Comments from author:
And another medium Hank coming up...I'm now getting quite excited writing the fellow for Nightmares...
Review By [Wolflady] • Date [10 Jun 11] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from iroshi
Review:
I would say I'm more of bad-to-medium Hank, rather than just "medium Hank". I said I could see you doing somewhere in between, but I prefer the bad to the good chapter. Personally, I think your chapter one is only *slightly* worse than canon!Hank. But that's mostly based on my opinion of his actions in later years.
Comments from author:
Sorry about the late repyl, apparently sometimes my answers fail to make it. I admit the Bad Hank would make things easier...but a tormented medium Hank...might just be more fun to write.
Review By [iroshi] • Date [7 Jun 11] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from iroshi
Review:
I've been loving this series. I rarely like original character fics, but you've managed to make it All-About-Joyce even while introducing a thoroughly fleshed out original character. He's a bit too good to be true, but that's okay, because it's about Joyce getting the man she deserves for being The Mom for everybody in the group.

I have to agree with the Chapter One Hank rather than the second one. The Hank in the second chapter is -not- the one from the show. Hank2 would have showed up at Joyce's funeral. He still had a minor child, even not thinking of the despair Buffy would have been going through...he had a legal obligation to take care of Dawn, if *nothing* else. And he wasn't even at the funeral. I'm not sure if it's canon or fanon that he sent a postcard later.

While I could see him not being the complete and *total* ass that you've made Hank1, there is definitely no second thoughts or regret about the divorce in canon!Hank. If he ever thinks about his family, it's rare and in passing.

My seventeen year old daughter (who lives with her father and step-mother in another state) has asked me if she can come stay with me the summer after she graduates high school. While I explained to her that I'm no peach to live with, I would NEVER turn her away, because I am her mother, and she will always have a place to stay with me, no matter her age. Her father and I moved in with my parents for a bit after we'd been married for four months, when he was between jobs through no fault of his own. I could certainly do no less! And I would be at my ex-husband's funeral if it occurred, even if my kids were grown ups and they have their stepmother. It's still the death of my children's *parent*, and I would want to be there to give them my support, whether I was *needed* or not.

In Hank's case, he WAS needed, as there was a minor child and a young adult who was still a dependent left behind with no other adult to be responsible for them. For him to not drop ANYTHING and be there for them...I could see him missing the funeral if there was a reason, but he should have at least *shown up* and he should have taken custody of Dawn, at the very minimum.

No, Canon!Hank is far closer to Hank1 than Hank2, and I find Hank2 to be a complete impossibility to reconcile with canon. Even the Hank of the summer between Season 1 and Season 2 was nowhere near that Hank2 who was upset at having lost his family.

I had to edit my review after reading a few of the other reviews. It seems like a lot of them are saying they want somewhere in between the two primarily because while "there are lots of crappy parents in the world out there, but very few of them are so unrepentantly bad." Perhaps it's just my viewpoint, having had parents who were foster parents for other children, but I've personally met FAR TOO MANY parents who were even worse than the dismissive and uncaring Hank you've written in first chapter. It never even occurred to me that anyone would find him unrealistic. I knew a woman who deliberately let her boyfriends mess with her toddler daughters...and their grandmother was the one who taught them to french kiss before they were 2. So I'm not seeing Hank1 as "unrepetantly bad"...just as a person who is a sucky, sucky parent.
Comments from author:
Thank you, a very well reasoned response. I'm putting you down as a medium Hank. That seems an awfully short summarry for such a nice long and detailed review. My apologies.


I must admit I like giving Joyce a better background and a better future and a better love life than Ted and two times on the hood of a police car with Giles.

I always wondered if Sunnydale's male population was blind as well as oblivious...

I forgot to add...Simon is relatively okay now...He's got a lot of issues still. We'll be getting into his less than sane past in future installments...
Review By [iroshi] • Date [6 Jun 11] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from storiescollector
Review:
As far as I understand, it is canon that Hank did run off with his secretary, and had other affairs. However, as I recall, it was also canon that Hank had Buffy stay with him during the summer break between season 1 and 2.

My take on Hank is that he went through the stereotypical male mid life crisis, broke up with Joyce, entered a relationship with his secretary, but still wanted a connection with his children. There is a fanfic that I have read where the new Mrs Summers was removing and destroying all correspondence from Joyce and the children and was doing everything she could to kill all connections. As a consequence, Hank was not aware of any issues. Still a bastard as he never tried to contact them, check on them, or see them, but not as bad as chapter 1. Chapter 2 portrayed him as a workaholic, and seemed to miss the affairs side of the separation.

Just my 2 cents worth. You're the author, choose the Hank you need for your story. Eagerly awaiting the next chapter.
Comments from author:
Medium Hank? Or am I wrong?

Next chapter should be up in a few.
Review By [storiescollector] • Date [4 Jun 11] • Rating [8 out of 10]
Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from mariposa
Review:
Oh what a difficult decision. I like, and can see a great deal of potential in both chapters. That said, I lean a bit more to chapter one - possibly with him slowly realizing what he has lost.
Chapter one Hank seems more in keeping with my idea of canon Hank (although maybe I've read too much fanfiction and have forgotten what is actually canon). I can see Joyce and Hank having to interact in the future and John Massey being sincerely gracious to her - and not simply trying to ingratiate himself with Simon; it would go further to show Joyce as an honestly lovely person (which is why Simon was attracted to her). If it was chapter two Hank, the people surrounding Hank might treat Joyce terribly, simply because they see Hank as a hard worker, trying to do what is best for his family.
Its a great Au and I do not envy you the decisions you have to make.
Comments from author:
Decisions, decisions...The burdens I bear I crafted for myself. I'm glad you enjoyed the story (ies).

The chapter one Hank is based upon Buffy's nightmare in "Nightmares". Good points on both. I'll put you down as a Hard Hank, with moving to medium or soft Hank.
Review By [mariposa] • Date [2 Jun 11] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from Scorpio
Review:
Wow, this is a tough one. I really like both versions of Hank you have here. They're so different and yet both of them have great potential to provide a lot of emotional tension and create a huge upheavel in everyone's life.

Douchebag Hank - The kinda guy ya love ta hate. *smirk* It's that line at the end that really makes it when he's thinking about contacting a judge about the alimony. This could, potentially, lead to a nice plot twist or running subplot which could pull in WRH for the legal battle over alimony and possibly even Dawn's custody.

Regrets His Past Hank - The kinda guy ya can't help but pity. *shakes head* This one's much more likeable in a pathetic puppy sorta way and he also has potential for a plot twist if he takes it into his head to win Dawn's affection back. Lot's of emotional drama and angst with Dawn stuck in the middle of a whole tug-o-war situation.

As for which way to go. *shrugs* Like I said, tough call. I think that maybe a blending of the two would be best. Start out with the Douchebag and have him slowly realize just what it is he's missing. Then, once things seem to be beyond the point of no return, have him try to redeem himself by turning into Regrets His Past.

Which ever you finally choose, it should be interesting.
Comments from author:
Thanks for the vote of confidence. Both do have advantages and disadvantages to the story. I'll note you down as a medium Hank.
Review By [Scorpio] • Date [2 Jun 11] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from kaekae
Review:
Use the first one - it is more in keeping with his actual personality in the show.
Comments from author:
Nasty Hank, check. Thanks for the vote.
Review By [kaekae] • Date [1 Jun 11] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from FireWolfe
Review:
The second Hank is the one you should run with. Or maybe a combination of the two. I mean it be intersting to see mr. I'm a ladies man realize what an idiot he was. Anyway great piece and I like this story a lot so far. I can easily see how Simion would change things. Love to see him stake angel before the whole lose my soul for a shag thing.
Fire
Comments from author:
Heh. Maybe Simon has a different solution... A nice Hank or a medium Hank. Check
Review By [FireWolfe] • Date [1 Jun 11] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from etienneofthewestwind
Review:
Hey, I just found your stories and you have an interesting universe shaping up here. Simon is interesting and his effects on cannon. I also like the way things are shaping up between Giles and Jenny. And Joyce is going to be furious when she learns the truth of Sunnydale...

I have mixed feelings about your takes on Hank. TV cannon is nebulous enough to support either version of Hank, however the first feels stereotypical. I know there are guys like that in real life, but when you have characters irrelevant to the weekly story, it's easier to not write them. As a result they tend to be vilified by the writers and/or the fans who sympathize with the characters they see every week.

Having grown up with a father a four hours' drive away, I know that things aren't always so simple or one-sided. When you don't see them as often its easier not to appreciate or even know what parents do for you. (For example, when my brother's scout troop was going under, we had no idea he had anything to do with saving it until years later, much less how big a part he played.) As the show's about Buffy, we see when Hank can't keep a birthday due to his job, because that impacts the Angel romance storyline. How relevant is it to mention the phone calls to Hank Buffy blows off because she's hunting the current baddie? In season five they place him in Spain so when Joyce passes he's conveniently unreachable, therefore cannot come to the funeral and take Dawn away from Buffy's protection. In Bargaining the Scoobies were sure that he would take Dawn if he found out about Buffy.

However, the fact that the writers forgot about Hank when Buffy ran away after Becoming, does tend to argue toward your first version of Hank, though he could have been searching LA. As does your take on Buffy's institutionalization in chapter 10 of Lonely Souls, though the later could be argued as believing he was doing the best for Buffy and that Joyce was in denial.
Comments from author:
These are all very good points. I shall try to keep Hank human. But I don't know if I can redeem him. He shall be a man, warts and all. And human does not mean nice all the time of course.
Review By [etienneofthewestwind] • Date [1 Jun 11] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "A variation on a theme" from (Past Donor)lucidity
Review:
I haven't read the previous stories yet. That said, my view on Hank ...

I tend to come up with excuses for him because I don't like to think about people purposefully being dismissive of their family. But to stay true to his character, and because I would like to read a story about him that doesn't constantly make excuses for his behaviour, I'd say stay to the evil!bastard side of the coin. Not completely, I guess - I mean, he needs to be three dimensional and all, but the jerk left and never came back once he realized Buffy was less than your average, happy kid. So, I vote cannon on this one.

Thanks for writing - I'm going to read the other stories soon as I get the chance.

'lucidity
Comments from author:
Slightly less hard Hank, more medium or at least well rounded Hank. Not that villains can't be well rounded...As I will hopefully show....

Thanks for reading, I take ti from the fact that you're going to read the rest, and reviewed, that you enjoyed it.
Review By [(Past Donor)lucidity] • Date [1 Jun 11] • Not Rated
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