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Review of chapter "Chapter Three." from Ltlconf
Review:
Howdy Dave!


I think Willow's basic premise is sound. As some other reviewers pointed out, she's got some facts off or out-right wrong, but the PREMISE is sound: The Monks couldn't stop Glory yet pulled what they did with Dawn off (largely) flawlessly.
So the basic premise she's working with here is that changing reality doesn't require immense power, but it IS complex and difficult from THAT angle. After all, it wasn't just about creating Dawn and ensuring her immediate family knows her, but altering the memories of EVERY person who'd ever met her, even in passing, and the memories of everyone they ever mentioned Dawn to (even if just as "that brunette girl I bumped into"), every photo she may have been in the background of, and so on and so on and so on.
Six degrees of separation and all, not just with people, but with objects and repercussions. Example: Dawn outscored the girl who SHOULD have been in the top 5% of her class, thus changing her entire future career and all the ripples THAT caused.... Yeah, not easy.
This takes subtly, patience, precision, and a eye for every little detail. On the other hand, it's less creating new things (though some) and more altering what and who's already there to fit the new reality. Less a parallel universe than a modified one (unlike "The Wish").
I'd also propose it's easier to alter something to accept a new parameter than to either insert a whole new person (Dawn) or take one out, changing EVERYTHING from the ground up accordingly.
Also if Willow's right and it really doesn't take alot of power, just a fine degree of control (which would be why few attempt it, so far as we know...and how would we! HEH!) then the blowback is gonna be relatively (in every definition of the word: I think Willow IS gonna open a can of worms here. How big is debatable) minor.
Side's the whole "magic always has a price" thing I think is overblown as a concept and more a metaphor. Otherwise, every time Tara, Willow, or both did a spell from Sn1 on, we'd seen the fallout. We don't. I think intent and the level of power involved has alot to do with it and while Willow is being somewhat selfish her she's right: If the NEW Faith finds out, the sense of betrayal she may or may not feel in the LEAST of everyone's worries, it's the fallout from Faith POSSIBLY doing the right thing (and Willow would know her better than anyone on this!) would bring down on EVERYONE'S heads, the least of all Faith's! And no one, maybe not even Faith, can know how she'll react.
If Faith does turn herself in, everything Faith has accomplished, done, and built (and yeah, the Ranger unit she's in is now as much her baby as Brittle's or Riley's: she's like as not the yardstick everyone, officer and enlisted, measures themselves by, take it from a vet) is gonna be undone in one fell swoop, creating a ripple effect that'll end careers, destroy the unit, and cost alot of lives as a side-affect of Faith and her unit's lack of presence.
And don't forget, Buffy isn't in deep shit over just Finch (debatable, even if she walks, it's gonna stain her period) but for also trying to murder Faith in Faith's own home, and the law takes a dim view of that.
Yeah, no matter how you slice it, Buffy DID try to murder Faith in cold blood for selfish reasons, choosing a vampire's 'life' over a human's.
I don't imagine Faith's admirers and friends in the Army (and she now has many, and more than a few with alot of serious pull. And a few in the Marine Corps as well) letting that slide. So yeah, this is a bag NO ONE in the right mind wants the cat getting out of.

Oh, and let's not forget that Giles failed to report ANY of these crimes, as did Willow, Oz, Xander, Cordelia, and so on (maybe even Dawn will get swept up...the irony) and Willow, Xander, OZ and Giles could be accused of aiding and abetting the attempted murder of Faith (by neither attempting to stop it nor speaking against it). All felonies. A stretch to be sure, but again, the stain will stick innocent or not.
So they also all go down, either in court or in the opinion of the governmental powers that be. And Riley himself KNEW of Faith and Buffy's criminal pasts and also failed to report them so HE goes down on that alone. Gotta love the UCMJ!
And let's not forget that Buffy is intimately tied into the New Council (as is Willow and Giles) and it's tied to the hip with various national governments... and saving the world daily. Once Buffy and Co. get tarred it's arm's length at best...and even that's unlikely.

All undone because one hero got her memory back and turned herself in. Maybe or not, not a chance to be taken.
So, does Willow seem so selfish now?

One thing I like about this Buffy is that no longer are things black and white. It's a slippery slope, true, but when you're balancing a great many lives and the fate of the planet, it's the one you LIVE on.

Dave, let me know if you want me to post this openly. Mainly it's to help give ammunition to beat the critics about the head and shoulder with!

All this is my opinion, but it can't be forgotten that it's easier and cleaner to be proactive, and head off a possible mess than clean up the (oft times literal) blood and guts of the aftermath of said mess. And often far fewer people pay the price.
Is Willow's idea risky? Yes. But everyone's forgetting that Willow's been looking at this plan for some time now. This is NOT off the cuff nor some thrown-together quick solution here but something she's researched well.
Should she take more time to perfect the idea? Yes, absolutely.
But events have moved ahead of this and as many a great mind has said: Better a half-assed plan NOW than a perfect plan too late.


The Cracker!
CNN reporter in Iraq asks a Marine sniper, "What do you feel when you shoot an insurgent?"
The Marine shrugs and replies, "Recoil."
(No shit, saw the interview!)
Comments from author:
Very much how I see it, of course we may disagree over some of the details.

The thing about magic having a price. The price is proportionate to the size/power of the spell. A minor spell will have a minor price and we may not notice unless it affects us directly. We might not even notice that a major spell has a big consequence because from our perspective things have always been like that.

Like talking about time travel, magic can make your head hurt.
Review By [Ltlconf] • Date [12 Feb 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Four." from (Recent Donor)Qbast
Review:
I really doubt Giles could survive hand grenade exploding in the same room just by throwing himself on the floor. For example M67 has 5m kill radius.
Comments from author:
Don't believe everything you hear about 'kill radius'. Its actually very hard to kill someone.

Cheers,
D.
Review By [(Recent Donor)Qbast] • Date [12 Feb 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Four." from Inoeth
Review:
Holy shit that was a powerful and excellent chapter.
Comments from author:
Thank-you muchly.
D.
Review By [Inoeth] • Date [12 Feb 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Four." from Mcspender
Review:
Poor Rebecca =(. I hope Giles can survive and get to the States in one piece.
Cool chapter, see ya!!.
Comments from author:
Thank-you,
D.
Review By [Mcspender] • Date [12 Feb 13] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter Four." from MarcusRowland
Review:
This sounds like the old Watchers Council hit squad; ridiculous overkill and callous disregard for human life.
Comments from author:
It's the only way to be sure, as someone once said.

Cheers,
D.
Review By [MarcusRowland] • Date [12 Feb 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Four." from AllenPitt
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I was going to echo the "Buffy really has no legal problem" thing, but the scenario she & Willow were discussing was "what if Faith remembers and decides to confess?" --Faith's testimony would implicate Buffy as being present at the death of Finch and of helping to cover it up. Accessory at the very least, if a DA felt like going for that. And even if it's not enough to put her in prison, the scandal might kill Riley's career, ie have bad effects.
Gee, Xander is really going at it here (assuming he's behind these attacks). Somebody is going after the Council in a smart way, finally. Decapitation strike-take out the leadership. I'm kind of surprised they didn't go in to make sure. X has seen the scoobies save the world at the last moment via research, so he's (maybe) moving to make sure nobody's going to do that.
He's responsible for his actions, but damn, Willow and Buffy are going to feel real bad when they find out his role in all this. If they'd been better friends maybe it wouldn't have happened, etc. Meanwhile... over the years he's probably of lots of items /spells with a lot of mojo and he does know how to cast (Once More with Feeling ep).
Comments from author:
I'm sort of assuming that Giles got away before anyone could cut off his retreat...or the enemy is incompetent...or their timing was a bit off.

These things happen.

Cheers,
D.
Review By [AllenPitt] • Date [12 Feb 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Four." from AndreaMaine
Review:
Whoa, someone is slaying slayers with commandos! Gods man someone's declared war on the new ISWC.
Comments from author:
It was bound to happen eventually!

Cheers,
D.
Review By [AndreaMaine] • Date [12 Feb 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Three." from Mcspender
Review:
Why do I want to run away screaming every time that Willow has an idea :S???.
And yeah, no matter how hard we try, we tend to drift apart of our friends in time, only a few remain, such is life =(.
Cool chapter, see ya!.
Comments from author:
Screaming and running won't help!

Yep its amazingly easy, even nowadays to lose track of friends.

Cheers,
D.
Review By [Mcspender] • Date [11 Feb 13] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter Three." from (Current Donor)JanessaRavenwood
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Dare I suggest that...it might be wise to *consult a lawyer* to see if there' s anything to actually be concerned about? This was years ago. Sunnydale's at the bottom of a lagoon now. The police department was notoriously corrupt and incompetent. There is ZERO evidence for this. Any halfway competent attorney Buffy could find would get her acquitted for this - and that's if any DA would actually bother charging her with the crime as they would KNOW that her chances for acquittal were near 100%, so that's doubtful to begin with.
Comments from author:
Once opened its hard to put all the worms back in the can and mud sticks too!

Enough cliches.

If I was Buffy I'd be concerned about anyone looking too closely at my past.

Cheers,
D.
Review By [(Current Donor)JanessaRavenwood] • Date [11 Feb 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Three." from Xovervore
Review:
Willow is still the arrogant amateur if she thinks its just about the power. The monks probably used a ritual created by very wise ancient sorcerer(s), and then used by mage-monks with decades of experience in properly utilizing magic, after deep meditation.
She is so cavalier in the way she finds solutions.

BTW the death of Finch - not murder, arguable that it was even manslaughter - a decent lawyer could make the case that it was an accident. But even if considered criminal, there is the problem of lack of evidence. Sure, Faith could confess (unwarranted in my view; if she wanted to confess to a crime then it could be the murder of the vulcan(ologist) [thank you Andrew!], there would be no need to drag Buffy into it). However, if she wanted to claim Buffy was an accessory, again a competent lawyer could make a very strong defense for Buffy that would separate her from the alleged crime - it is one thing to confess to a crime, it is another to accuse someone else of involvement, that pesky evidence requirement again.

Also, I think Willow is underestimating Faith. This is not the Faith of the original timeline racked by guilt. This is a strong, mature Faith who might consider her duty to her nation and her military service of greater importance than having herself committed to prison, which benefits no one, and definitely prevents her serving her nation and the world. Damn, hasn't Willow learnt anything from that whole business of interfering with Tara's and others' memories?! The truth is better (and also simpler).
Comments from author:
True it might have been manslaughter, but everyone forgets that Buffy tried to murder Faith, she chose a vampire over a human.

If any of that sequence of events ever got out, no one is going to look innocent. They all had a hand in a lot of bad stuff.

Actually this has made me think.

Buffy couldn't have told Riley the FULL story because she worried that its going to all come out. Who's going to be the first to go for the Immunity deal and rat out the others?

Cheers,
D.
Review By [Xovervore] • Date [11 Feb 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter One" from (Current Donor)Katrina
Review:
I honestly don't know if this is a "Oh Willow Rosenberg, No!" moment or if she's actually got the most genius point ever. I mean it's not like she'll be casting in the Hellmouth, so those dire influences are kind of past. BUT it is altering history, which, is definitely 50/50 on the chances of things "turning out." I both dread and look forward to seeing the outcome. I'll be hiding my eyes behind my fingers on this one.
Comments from author:
In fact she'll be casting in a place that is the exact opposite of a Hellmouth. We've mentioned several times that apart from all the ghosts Grandview is way down on the 'weird' scale.

Cheers,
D.
Review By [(Current Donor)Katrina] • Date [10 Feb 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Three." from PATM
Review:
I see disaster on the way if Willow follows through on her, as usual, hasty and poorly thought out plan. Willow is all about expediency and her familiarity with big problems needing quick solutions is going to hoist and petard her in a bad bad way. Faith may yet recognize craziness while protecting Buffy and derail it. What a great opportunity for Faith to get answers while saving the day.
Comments from author:
Indeed it is.

Cheers,
D.
Review By [PATM] • Date [10 Feb 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Three." from Thedruid
Review:
Aw man. The problem of returning memories is going to be magiced away? I was looking forward to how your more mature Faith would deal with it!
Comments from author:
That depends on how effective the spell is and Faith will still have to deal with any new memouries.

Cheers,
D.
Review By [Thedruid] • Date [10 Feb 13] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Chapter Three." from starsteel
Review:
Willow's idea will end badly, very very very badly.
Comments from author:
Maybe not 'very, very very badly'. Perhaps just 'very badly'!

Cheers,
D.
Review By [starsteel] • Date [10 Feb 13] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Chapter Three." from Gideon
Review:
Well it is positive that Buffy is thinking of Xander right? Not so positive that he slips her mind so easily though :( I can't help think that Willow's spell is a bad idea though. What if it changes what actually happened and Willow and Faith are no longer together, or Buffy and Riley are no longer together? Either of those could be very bad.
Comments from author:
So many things could go wrong with this...but it'd mean I'd have to do major rewrites of the stories that follow this one...so only minor rewrites until I get to the stories I've not finished.

But there will be consequences...MAW-HA-HA!

Cheers,
D.
Review By [Gideon] • Date [10 Feb 13] • Rating [8 out of 10]
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